Why Are Homosexuals Almost Always Jesus Haters?

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Those who practice homosexuality hate Jesus.  Do you wonder why?

Friends, is there ANY wonder how so-called atheism and homosexuality are so closely linked? Why do you think that is so?

When God forbids something, he has a reason. My observation is that homosexuality is the ‘gateway sin’ to atheism, much like pot is the ‘gateway drug’  to addiction (please- no pro pot comments- save it for another discussion, pls.). Jesus made wine, not drugs. While people like to say alcohol is equal to pot, it is not. Jesus didn’t make something corrupt. God made a man and woman and he bound them together. Mankind made homosexuality. One is good, the other bad.

Why is it that almost all homosexuals and those that condone their behavior are so-called atheists? Because they embody the spirit of satan. He hates Jesus and so then do his servants.

Satan has cleverly created an atmosphere where people believe they can put themselves above God and determine which parts of the Bible they want to ‘believe’ and which parts they don’t. You don’t get to do that.

But those who practice homosexuality KNOW they do wrong. Or why couldn’t THEY exist in peace with Jesus? Why do they froth at the lips against God? Why do they walk away from him? Evil skitters under the bed when light is shone on it. People who participate in homosexual behavior do likewise. Because they KNOW they are wrong, they run from the One who judges them.

The sheer HATE coming from them always amazes me. Do you see them trying to protect the gay ambassador, Chris Stevens in the Benghazi nightmare? No. But I do. He might have practiced homosexuality, but he was still a human being and didn’t deserve to die as he did. It is I who will not forget what Obama did to him and to the brave men who died protecting him.

But these people could care less about that. Why? Because they are 100% selfish and stand for nothing. Just whatever serves them- they have no cause except to make their lives easier, richer & better. Also, they have no logic. All reason and logic reside with God. Reject God and you will reject logic every time. If they cared about the rights of the homosexual, they would care about Ambassador Stevens. But they don’t care because it doesn’t further their agenda. It weakens their agenda.  It’s not about principle- it’s about agenda.

Do these people care about the homeless? How many do you think actively go about their day WORKING to help them? But I do. Christians do everyday. Even though we believe in personal responsibility, it will ALWAYS be us who feed the poor. Do these people GIVE their money to those in need? Like Obama? ha! no. Their craven fingers cling to every dollar. But I do. Christians all over the world do. In fact, CHRISTIANS give more money than anyone else in the world- by a million fold! Where are the atheist ‘compassion’ funds for poor people? Hah. Hah. Hah. They just want the Government (interpretation: us) to do it. Never would they dirty their manicured nails.

Christians hold to God’s law- which is not always easy. But it is ALWAYS right. So-called atheists live a fairy tale where they believe they can make law without God. While we tow the line, we also extend our hands to serve. They talk the talk and put their stingy hands right back in their pockets.

These people hate to their very bones and yet, they cast the label of ‘hate’ upon those who would obey God. Satan is devious. and he is angry. He knows his time is coming near. His WHOLE goal is to kill as many of God’s children as possible.

Christians, if you think you are doing a kindness when you support people as they practice homosexuality, you would be incorrect. As almost all homosexuals hate God, how do you think keeping them in that lifestyle will benefit their souls? Do you think you can tempt them to love Jesus? No. You can’t.

While speaking the Truth is hard, it is inevitably the only way to set yourself free- and it is the only way to set others free.

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63 comments

    • No, I don’t have stats. What I have is experience. Every homosexual that comes to my page is a raging hater of Christ. Without exception. Also, I have seen too many videos of preachers at gay pride parades- and the homosexual HATE of them. Not one stood up for these men. Instead, they literally gnashed their teeth, threw bottles full of urine and even pushed the pastors around. I’m sure the stats are out there.. somewhere.

      • Hello!!

        I went and searched through a number of statistics, and you might be very interested by what I’ve found.

        First, professing Christians make up nearly a third of the world population, and over three quarters of the US population, which averages to about 231 million people. That’s pretty awesome, but of course, does not meant that they are all true followers.

        Atheists and agnostics make up less than one percent of the US population, and less than ten percent of the world population. One would never know it, given how vocal they are, but there you have it. lol

        Homosexuals make up a grand total of about ten to fifteen percent of world population, and somewhere between 3.5 and 10% of the US population.

        Here’s where I found the irony: Of the homosexual population in the United States, about 8 million claim Christianity as their faith. I thought that this was incredibly ironic, given the Bible’s teachings about homosexuality and the general stance that is taken on the subject by most churches.

        What I found is that there are entire support groups dedicated to helping Christian homosexuals resist temptation; there are churches that assign accountability partners to these people, and help disciple them into right living.

        I also found a very interesting little factoid: Of that rough 8 million, more than half say they struggle with their attraction to the same gender; view acting upon that attraction as sin; and regularly counsel with their ministers on this issue, to avoid falling to it.

        I think that from your personal perspective, you are right: The majority of homosexuals that will comment on your page probably are as you claim. However, as followers of Christ, we must strive to uphold truth in all things, and I know that this is exactly your own heart on the matter. Thus, I thought you may find these facts and statistics to be of interest, and I hope you’ll be able to put them to good use.

        God bless!

  1. sorry but when i read this one I figured it is high time to delete you from my facebook. I happen to be one who believes in Jesus Christ and His Father. If I am condemned to hell for being in love with a man then so be it. But be ye careful not to judge us, for you may see the gates of hell before we do.

    • Jim Hawkins. If you believe in Christ and God, then why do you disobey him? I never said you were condemned to hell. I said that almost all people who practice homosexuality hate Jesus. While you don’t seem to hate him, you certainly are in constant disobedience. That separates you from God. I’m sorry, but it is true. I don’t speak from my own OPINION- I merely repeat what God has to say. If you hate what I say, then you hate what God says, Jim. You need to address it with him. And if you choose hell in order to seek earthly pleasures, then.. I’m afraid you will get it.

    • Believing in G-d is not the issue, the bible tells us demons believe in G-d and tremble.
      Believing and doing his will are two different things, that was the issue with the fallen angels.
      They knew G-d but they did not want to follow his will, evaluate yourself to see how you fit in
      this picture. The bible says present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to G-d.

  2. Keep up the good work preaching the truth sister! N.A.M.B.L.A., need I say more? This is where rejecting God leads, further and further into debouchery and then, like Sodom and Gomorrah the desire for “strange flesh”, like wanting to butt stab an Angel. I’ve got some stats for you: Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (Christians need to read this whole chapter, as there is much there for us too, which of these sinarios in Chapt. 18 have we condoned, smiled about or looked the other way?) Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them. (seems God was pretty seriuos about this) Rom. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    Rom. 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    1Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    1Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
    1Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. (seems there is still hope)

    There is more in the New Testament how these folks will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, but I think that’s enough “stats” for today. Just TURN to JESUS and REPENT and quit loving your sins!

  3. I poised somewhat the same questioning to some that I’ve encountered. The first thing they’ll do is attack and belittle you. Further probing may show there is some belief that they will never admit to and will again attack, only this time, they’ll throw something at you like, “What would your Jesus do?”
    That one always cracks me up. What would MY Jesus do? Excuse me, but if you believe in nothing, how is Jesus suddenly mine? Seems to me they’ve thought about it and know what they are doing is wrong, but by denying the existence of God, it gives them a “Get out of jail free” card. If I don’t believe in it, it can’t hurt me sort of deal. When Jesus told those about to stone the woman for adultery, which they sure seem to know about, the part they miss is Jesus said he did not condemn her either, but to go and SIN NO MORE. He didn’t say go and SIN AGAIN and that all is well and good with that. Somehow they think because they “Love” it is not a sin.

  4. I’m sorry you don’t know anyone in the LGBT community who are kind and loving and love Jesus. My brother and his partner are the most loving people I know. Together 33 years. Very involved in church, both love Jesus, both are Christians. Both were born this way. You SEEM to be basing your message on hate. Remember, we are no longer bound by the laws of the Old Testament. Also, Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. There is no doubt in my mind and heart that Jesus is love, and being gay is not a sin. Absolutely no doubt.

    So, I strongly disagree with your message. Watch the video “For The Bible Tells Me So”, on Netflix. It may change your life.

    Also, I just re-read your response to Jim. You wrote “If you hate what I say, then you hate what God says, Jim.” To me that says you believe you are speaking for God. When I read the Bible, I get a completely different message than you. Jesus commanded us to love one another. LOVE.

    • Linda, your understanding of the Bible is extremely flawed. In no way has the Old Testament been nullified by Christ. In fact, he said, “17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. ” What you are referring to is Apostle Paul’s statements saying that the law is dead. He didn’t mean the entire Old Testament- otherwise, we would no longer need to obey the ten commandments! He meant that the old rites and sacrifices and rules that Jews used to follow to make atonement for their sins to God. Christ was the final sacrifice- so all the blood offerings & sin offerings & rules about meat, etc, were no longer necessary. And since the sacrificial system was no longer needed for atonement, neither was the priesthood and all its functions. Linda. Homosexuality is also condemned in the New Testament- several times.

      I speak in Hate? Are you hating your child when you tell them lying is wrong? Or are you loving them? That is a knee jerk reaction you are having to protect people you love. While I understand it, it is wrong thinking.

      I am speaking for God? Linda. I am repeating God’s own words. Here they are for you: Romans 1:18-32———————————The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. ——————–1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ———————Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. ——————– Leviticus 18:20-26 ———————- “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her. “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord. “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable. “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion. “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws.-

      These are just a few. If your church allows your brother & his lover to participate in it, then it is not obeying the Bible. It states that if people are involved in sexual immorality, they need to be confronted and asked to stop by the Church. And if they won’t, after three efforts by the church leadership, they should be asked to leave.

      Linda, it is not me who wants to speak for God, it is you. You are not reading your Bible and you want to place yourself above God. You want to take parts of his Word and call them ‘good’ and you want to pick parts of his Word and call them ‘bad’. You don’t get to do that. So. Yes, if you have a problem with God’s word, you really need to take it up with him. I am a mere messenger. And believe it or not, I am helping your brother & friend more than you are by speaking the truth.

    • You are doing a terrible dis-service to your kin by not telling the truth, AND his blood will be accounted for BY YOU.

    • Linda R I must respond to your reply. First off I am sure that the LGBT community are kind and loving people, but do they love Jesus? Absolutely not. No one who chooses to continue to live in sin is showing that they love Jesus. In John 14:15 God tells us that “if we love him, we will do what he says” That means that if we want to show God we love him, we must repent and turn from our wicked ways, we must forget about what we desire to do and instead do what he tells us. We cannot let ourselves be controlled by the desires of our flesh. We can play the “I am a Christian” role all we want too, but if we do not live out what God tells us to do, then we are just being hypocrites. No disrespect intended, but think about this, do you actually think that your brother and his partner can be an effective witness for God? It is as the word says in Luke 6:42,
      “How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take that small piece of wood out of your eye,’ when you do not see the big piece of wood in your own eye? You pretend to be someone you are not. First, take the big piece of wood out of your own eye. Then you can see better to take the small piece of wood out of your brother’s eye”. The validity of our witness for Christ will be shown in how we live our lives.

      Second, you say that your brother and his partner were born this way, but that statement totally contradicts itself where God is concerned. If God had created your brother and his partner as homosexuals then he would not be against it in the first place. There are many references in God’s word where he clearly states that he is against homosexuality, just read Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9 No, God did not create them like that because God is not a creator of sin, but if they continue to choose to live in disobedience, then God will simply give them over to what they desire, even if it breaks his heart. God tells us in Proverbs 14:12 that “There is a path before each person that seems right, but it ends in death” God has given us free will to choose to do his will, but if we don’t he will not force us. Third, you say that God is love and you are right, but God is also a just God. That means that our actions on earth, our attitudes toward God, our rights and our wrongs will ultimately be judged by Him.

      Make no mistake, homosexuality is a sin, but homosexuality is not worse than any other sin. The good news is that through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God can and will forgive the sin of homosexuality, just as He will forgive any other sin. We will struggle with our weaknesses in this fallen world, but He will help us to overcome them if we turn to Him.

      Even though it seems your understanding of God’s word is not perfected yet, I believe deep down in your heart you know that the word of God is true, but you seem to be making excuses because you don’t want to accept the fact that your brother and his partner will not be saved if they don’t turn from their wicked ways. No one wants this for anyone, especially not a family member. I too have a brother who has and perhaps continues to choose to dabble in this lifestyle. I have told him that I will always love him because he is my brother and that I will always be there for him if he needs me, but that I cannot partake in anything having to do with the lifestyle he has chosen. I have shared the truth of God’s word with him, so that the enemy will not continue to keep him fooled, but ultimately it is up to him. I can only pray to God to touch his heart and save him as he did me from all my immorality. I pray that you and your brother will accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and that you will forever be released from the grip of the father of all lies. God bless you both!

  5. “ 21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” Matt. 7:21-23

    Many know of Jesus, believe He is the Son of God, but they are not Christ-followers. They are talkers, not doers. – In John 10:14, Jesus says: “I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me.” I find it impossible to understand the attitude of ” well, if I’m going to hell for this, let the good times roll!” As a sinner saved by grace, a follower of Jesus, I recognize when I sin-I feel awful, literally sick, disgusted; I weep, I repent and fall on my knees and ask forgiveness! My eyes are opened, not blinded, when Satan tries to ensnare me into bondage. Jesus knows if we are false disciples- a life of serving Satan results in eternal separation from the Savior.

    • No, Maggie- see my NOTES section on FB for my new nightly close down policy. When my FB page comes under atheist attack, I will shut it down when I sleep. I do this so that you don’t have to wake up to ugliness in the morning. It’s up and running now.

  6. As a pastor, I am saddened that the churches have shunned people of the GLBT community! Self righteousness is a huge sin, yet we are ok being self righteous to a gay person, because they live in disobedience… I bang my head against a wall often when I see the hypocrisy that keeps people out of churches. Openly welcome and love the disobedient people! Let them experience God’s love!

    • Christopher, if you ARE a reverend- why not just say that adultery is ok? Why not just say that arrogance, pride and corruption are ok? Anything to get people into your church, right? You are not in obedience to God’s commands- and you certainly are not in obedience to Paul’s recommendation for confronting sexual immorality within the church. In addition, you are disregarding God’s command to Ezekiel: “7“Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die fora his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. 9But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself. ” Ezekiel 33:7-9

      I am very surprised to hear a ‘reverend’ construe my article as hate or hypocrisy. Where do I hate? Where is the hypocrisy? If you can not see the direct correlation between homosexuality and atheism, then you have been asleep, my friend. It is not MY words that keep these people from church- it is their own guilt that does. They know they are sinning repeatedly against God and so they hide from him. AND, if I am hypocritical, then you are calling God and the entire Bible hypocritical. I doubt very much that you are any kind of reverend. And if you are, then you are a false prophet and will be roundly condemned yourself. You need to re-examine your motives- are you sure you are not trying to fill your coffers by offering leniency to everyone? Watch out, Christopher.

      • Did my response get deleted? That is unfortunate! Would you publish this possibly?

        There really is no way to bring everyone together on any subject that causes political/theological differences. Honestly, I am not sure that such an accord of agreement would serve any good for people or society. Where would we end up if we all agreed on the meaning of life or Jesus; where would we be if we didn’t debate, argue, or have a free will to choose our own paths? Where would we be, if we took away these tools for personal growth? Yes – I believe it is the arguments and debates, the mistakes, and the troubles in life, that cause people to grow, to learn, and to accept that the answer may be different than they previously thought!.

        I have personally been wrong in my life many times! In fact, I believe that I don’t deserve the grace and mercy that my Lord has afforded to me in my life! It’s an amazing thing to consider that Jesus did more for me and my salvation at a time in life when I deserved it the least! He provided me a hand, and lifted me up out of the dark despair that I had created in my life! I am so thankful that Jesus chooses to treat the sinner in me as He did to the woman that crashed the dinner party & washed His feet! I am thankful that he decided to take me as I was, and that he continues to hold my hand and head up as I deal with my sins daily! I’m thankful that Jesus is not the hateful person that he is too often portrayed to be! I’m thankful that He took me under His loving care, and said, “Follow me.” I’m Blessed that he said to me, “I am the Way.” What I haven’t heard Him say yet is, “You need to be a better person first, and then turn to me.”

        He takes us at our worst, he takes us at that moment when we can hardly look ourselves in the eyes, and he says, “Follow me, I’ll show you the way!” Why as a corporate organization, can churches not follow this model? I don’t care the sin that exists in the life or heart of the sinner, there hasn’t been a sin yet that has been larger than the power of His grace. Even if it were a murderer sitting in the pew, they are worthy of His message. Why must we keep the focus on rebuking individuals first? How can we follow His commandment to love one another, even our enemies, if we shun them simultaneously? Why can’t we do the opposite? Invite them in, and show them love, and allow the Holy Spirit to work in their hearts and love! What if Jesus had turned from you, when you were an un-saved sinner? What if He told you to fix yourself and then come back? Thankfully for me, He did not do that! Luckily, His grace and mercies are new each day!

      • Christopher, your comment would make more sense if I DID recommend the rebuke before the message of Christ. Where did I do that? It is your ridiculous accusation that gets you deleted. Also, your refusal to address my points from the Bible.

        In this article, I am speaking to the amazing relationship between homosexuality and atheism. That is all. Where did I say that homosexuals do not ‘deserve’ to hear the message of Christ?

        You wrongly point the finger at me for merely addressing the topic. You would like to equate my statements to your definition of Christians shunning ‘sinners’ and NOT bringing them the message of hope from Christ. Show me where I said any such thing! I said that we are not helping this community by tolerating their behavior. It is wholly divisive toward God and Jesus. The reason I have grave doubts about your ‘ministry’ is because you seem to lack this information. Just being a Christian blogger has brought me literally thousands of comments from those who practice homosexuality and those who condone it- these comments about Jesus and God are satanically inspired and.. ugly to their terrifying core. How can YOU, if you are a reverend, not have seen this relationship?

        Now, you are being absurd to say that I asked ANYONE to be ‘fixed’ before they can hear Christ’s message. But those who refuse to OBEY God’s commands can not have heard his voice. A change in behavior must be the natural result of the Holy Spirit. Those who persist and continue to persist in such repetitive immorality divide THEMSELVES from God. Not me and my words!

        Lastly, by your definition, not even John the Baptist or Christ would fit your idea of what a Christian should be. Didn’t John the Baptist call out from the road in a loud voice against Herod for his sexual immorality with his brother’s wife? It got him killed. And yet, Jesus called him God’s greatest human servant. But you wouldn’t. You would accuse him the same way you accuse me! Didn’t Jesus whip the thieves and vendors at the Temple? You would condemn his actions as you have mine. This notion that LOVE is only a pat on the back is sheer, corrupt nonsense. I AM loving people who engage in this practice by telling them the TRUTH. People like you would allow them to continue down a path that will most certainly cause their eternal death. What kind of love is that?

        Churches today are lukewarm, Christopher. Jesus said he would spit them out of his mouth. IF you have a church, yours would go first.

    • I am aware that there are pastors who have turned away from God’s Holy Word. If you truly loved homosexuals, why don’t you care that Satan has trapped them in a black pit, why don’t you care that they are deceived into thinking they are at a banquet, when instead they are partaking of sewage, why don’t you care that they are slaves in bondage? Love means sharing the truth-God’s truth will set us free! I don’t know you Christopher, but I sense that Truth is a “pick and choose” thing for you, based on your comment about the sin of self righteousness.

      John Piper is right when he says, “God’s judgment on homosexual and lesbian relationships is not because he is a killjoy, but because he is opposed to what kills joy.” Randy Alcorn-” Fullness of joy in Christ is at stake. And fullness of joy will never be found in crossing the wires of God’s created intentions.

      Heterosexual sin and homosexual sin alike are ultimately rooted in a worship disorder, a worship disorder that robs the soul of joy now and robs the soul of joy eternally. The fullness of joy we all long for is reserved for those sinners who, by God’s grace alone, have been healed from this worship disorder, who are rightly oriented with the Creator, and who turn away from selfishness that kicks against the created order.

      The gospel of Jesus Christ offers us victory in our worship disorders. By Christ’s death and resurrection and through our union with him, we turn away from the wisdom of our own eyes, we turn from idols, and we turn from what contradicts God’s beautiful design.”

      • Karen, Amen. Sometimes the greatest love is discipline. It is better to cut out your eye than lose your soul. Better to just teach abstinence for those so afflicted than to advise them to lose EVERYTHING. What is a mere 40 years (at most!) compared to forever?

  7. Oh and yes God did make them that way..only AFTER they rejected God over and over and he gave them over to a reprobate mind. Perhaps people should read Romans 1 a few times over Hollywood movies and documentaries. This is why your title is right on.

  8. “Every homosexual that comes to my page is a raging hater of Christ.” You said this in response to renagades0rants and yet replied with “I never said you were condemned to hell. I said that almost all people who practice homosexuality hate Jesus. While you don’t seem to hate him,…” to Jim Hawkins. Seems a bit of a contridiction. Either you think all homosexuals are haters or only most. I think to say “all” is quite unfair. Sin is sin I am not denying that at all. However, speaking truth and being vicious don’t have to go hand in hand. I am not talking about Jesus’ words, but only yours. I generally agree with you, and perhaps you are feeling the pain of the hate thrust at you and just giving what you get. I can understand that. Just as I understand one caught in sin spewing back hatred. Still it is possible for conviction to come to all sinners.
    I must say that I believe that 100 percent of homosexual behavior is a sin. I also believe it will put the participants of homosexuality in hell if they don’t repent. I don’t believe however that 100 percent of homosexuals hate Jesus. I do believe some are deceived and even duped by the modern message …”since Jesus died for your sins you are covered so don’t worry about it….love is love”.
    The church needs to address ALL SIN. Which it does not. In general I have noticed that most churches today preach love and tolerance yet do not tell people that God still expects them to keep His law and repent when they fail to do so rather than just go on thinking Jesus died for their sin and there is no need for repentance. The church has been allowing people to live in ignorance to the weight of our sins. Telling folks that Jesus loves us and all we need to do to go to heaven is say a warm fuzzy prayer and really mean it and we are eternally in God’s good graces.
    Perhaps we need to begin with meeting with our pastors and share the need for preaching truth from the pulpit (as well as in our daily walk) to save souls instead of spewing fluff to keep the seats full. Yet, I know that people are accountable for their own actions, but as Christians we are accountable for speaking the truth.(As you already addressed.)
    I do thank you for your courage in speaking out for the Lord. Not everyone is willing to take on the kind of bitterness and hatred you encounter in order to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Please don’t think I am being bitter or hateful at all. God bless you for what you are doing everyday to further His Kingdom!

    • Fay, I appreciate your thoughts but I reject your conclusion that I am spewing hate in a tit for tat way! That is a truly awful thing to say to me! What I am saying is TRUE. I have never observed a sin that so WHOLLY divides a person from God and Jesus the way homosexuality does. They do hate Jesus. Many people live sheltered lives and don’t see their behavior. I see it. I protect you from it. I delete hundreds of posts per day- and most of it is from homosexuals or those who condone homosexual behavior. Their comments about Jesus and God.. well, you would be utterly shocked. You are being unfair in your statements.

      I have no need to ‘give what I get’. If that were the case, I would spend all my time in hate. Show me one place where I hate or advocate hate for any person who engages in this practice.

      No one wants to address this topic in church because homosexuality has become such a huge divider in our culture. And I must say, it is not biblically correct to say sin is sin. There are sins that God particularly hates. Sexual immorality is one of them.

      Further, to keep silent or to speak soothingly is doing no favor to those gripped into this practice. If a slap across their face will save their eternal souls, then I am willing to give it. Most people can’t bear the hate they will SURELY receive by merely addressing this question. Most pastors are chickens who can’t bear losing congregation over this. The time is short, Fay. Christ is near. There will come a day when no one will get a chance to rethink their actions. It is time to speak boldly- whether or not you believe me, I am speaking in LOVE, not hatred.

      It is I who am being punished- even by well meaning Christians like you. It is not the silent Christian taking the heat, is it? If you want to see who is working for Jesus, look at the one who is being punished for their words…

      Love comes in many ways, Fay.

      • I apologize for making it sound like you are spewing hate. I didn’t realize how that looked/sounded until after your reply.
        Quite frankly I now feel you have attacked me. I have noticed that any reply with a differing point of view is definitely not welcome. I wish I had not replied the first time, but now feel I must respond just once more.
        I have no desire to support homosexuality. I know why God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. However I don’t see how calling all homosexuals selfish and saying they don’t help anyone but themselves is just not 100 true. You must know that. I personally know homosexuals that are kind and helpful and give time and money to others that do not further their agenda. Yes, homosexuality is sin. NO I DO NOT CONDONE IT OR SUPPORT IT. Still, there is hope for the lost if they repent.
        I love Jesus! I want to serve God better than my ability to do so! I want to live by His commandments and please Him with my life that I may spend eternity with Him in continual praise and worship of my Creator! I want to share His Gospel so that others might do so as well. I am not silent. Yet I don’t know if I can be like you to do that.
        I am persecuted although I am certain you are more so, but I do not seek to punish, persecute or berate you. I did not seek to attack you.

    • Fay, perhaps you now realize that it is very easy to be misunderstood by your writings. Here is what you said. Perhaps when you re-evaluate your own words, you might understand my response better.

      “However, speaking truth and BEING VICIOUS [aimed at me] don’t have to go hand in hand. I am not talking about Jesus’ words, but ONLY YOURS [only my words are vicious]. I generally agree with you, and perhaps you are feeling the pain of the hate thrust at you and JUST GIVING WHAT YOU GET [who, but a petulant child does this?]. I can understand that. Just as I understand one caught in sin SPEWING BACK HATRED [so, the people spewing hatred back at me is my fault, not theirs]. ”

      Now, you might have FELT attacked by me, but I challenge you to find words like these coming from me to you. What I said to you is that your accusations here were not fair. And I must say, I do stand by that. Sorry if that feels like an attack to you.

      • I did go back over my own words before getting back to you. Which is why I apologized. I have not right to seek forgiveness. Then again only Jesus can truly grant me that anyway. So I will just keep going to Him. The world and even His own children only make me feel worthless, which I am without Him. I won’t trouble you any more. You have enough to deal with already

  9. This post has been in my mind of late … so I checked back just now.

    I’m a little disappointed that my voice has not been counted. I believe I stuck to your posting rules — if I have violated a rule for posting on your blog then please let me know so that I can edit my comment. I would love to see these discussions available to the other commenters.

    At the end of the day this is your website — do as you wish. But while not all my thoughts fit your perspectives — I nonetheless feel I authored my discussion with respect and in the spirit of the pursuit for truth. Further, I took the time to create a considered response — it is degrading to find that you might not perceive my efforts worth publication.

    Hence, I petition you to consider making my post visible.

    Best Regards.

    P.S. if you wish to inform me of your reasons for not publishing my comment, then you can contact me via http://hadleighfrost.com/contact/

    • Hadleighfrost, First, your first post was simply awaiting a review- all comments are reviewed before they are posted. Why? Because I have NO interest in debating with atheists. None. While that may seem unreasonable to you, I have learned, LONG AGO, that debate is futile. I also trust in the promptings of the Holy spirit. When I feel moved to witness to someone, I will. When I don’t, I won’t. It’s that simple. People come to my page for all kinds of reasons. Many, simply to call me names and react out of anger. Some have a genuine need to hear the Word of God. Some, like you, wish to intellectualize God and his commands. While I will not post your last comment, I will address it. Your basic premise is that people who practice homosexuality steer clear of Christianity because people like me are ‘hostile’ to them, hurt their feelings and are attempting to change something they feel is integral to their very person. Your point is that they’re not responding out of guilt or satanic influence, but out of a natural human instinct to protect themselves against hostility to their person. I have heard this many, many, times.

      So, let me address that. First, I give more credibility to people than you do. I give them the respect they deserve by assuming they are intelligent adults able to take care of themselves. What we are talking about here is WHY they reject Christ and the very notion of life vs. death. Those who obey and follow Christ do so because we WANT life and not death. We know that death is the most UN-natural thing that can happen to man. We are most definitely not just some advanced animal. Human instinct has always understood this. So. Why would someone give up everlasting LIFE and choose DEATH because someone was mean to them? Or was even HOSTILE to them? That would make them particularly stupid, wouldn’t it? That would be like saying a starving man would turn down food from someone who mocked them! No. They wouldn’t. They would take the food and the LIFE it offered- regardless of how mocked they were. There is no way that another human can dissuade someone from the gift of LIFE if that person understood that LIFE were being offered. Do you understand that? So, IF they understand clearly that LIFE is being offered, they will take it. But if, somehow, that understanding is clouded, they might be fooled into bad choices, right?

      Simple hostility to their way of life COULDN’T be enough to persuade them to accepting DEATH. There is only ONE reason someone would choose death over life- and that is by a powerful lie from satan- that there IS no additional life- or that somehow, they will never attain it. It is also because of the condemnation from satan- he is always telling people that BECAUSE they sin so terribly, they are a lost cause- so why try? It is also because satan clouds their reasoning into believing immediate satisfaction of desire trumps eternal life. Or that they have all the time in the world to believe in Jesus- so live for today! It is the powerful lie of satan that God & Jesus and even Satan himself aren’t real- which is tempting because the person doesn’t want to give up their lifestyle anyway! But. No human is happy that way! It just leads to more inner misery and more self condemnation and more anger & bitterness and more separation from God- which, of course, is exactly what satan wants. He enjoys this downward spiral of death. Satan also poses the lie that it is someone else’s fault that they are miserable- not their own actions. He also tells them they are powerless to stop their behavior- which they know isn’t true, but it does seem awfully hard- so why try? It is all tied up in a terrible knot that people truly have difficulty breaking.

      Those who would coddle people in this situation are the ones who HATE them. They most certainly love themselves more than they do that suffering person. They don’t want to trouble themselves with the inevitable angry reaction. So… they just smile, befriend, and let their friend die- forever. Is THAT love?

      You spoke to the impossibility of people changing their sexual orientation. I am not speaking to that. I am speaking to their BEHAVIOR. We can control that. And we do control that every day. Those who engage in this practice are no different than so many people who want to have affairs or want to engage in violence or thievery or any other tempting thing. You stop the behavior. Then you seek for inner change. Sometimes you get peace- sometimes you don’t. No one said it was easy to follow Christ. In fact, Christ said the road is VERY narrow and rocky to boot. Most people are on a wide, smooth highway to hell. Heterosexual, homosexual- doesn’t matter.

      No reasonable, clear thinking person would think exual gratification for a mere 40 years (if they are lucky) is worth death- is worth missing out on ETERNAL life in joy. The math doesn’t add up. Only those who have been blinded by satan would make this choice. People themselves are not satanic. But satan can most definitely work within a repetitive, never ending sin to cloud and confuse their minds. He finds tremendous satisfaction in killing people. Specifically because he hates God and wants to deny Him the thing he loves most: us.

  10. I find it disturbing that a Christian woman can spit venom as viciously and be so full of hatred as you! I am not a Christian, but I have a lot of respect for Christians and those who have the strength to believe something purely on faith. Personally I find that awesome!

    When I read your vicious attacks that openly condone hatred, discrimination and oppression in the very direct way that you do, it reminds me of the Christian teachers of my youth; and please don’t presume that they were all male. If we had the audacity to disagree with their version of Christianity we were verbally and physically battered into submission. There were other punishments that are not suitable for public reading, but I’m certain that even you, as righteous as you are have a good idea what that means!

    Until I recently came across you on facebook and the verbal attack I received from you and your followers and then the ban, I had put most of my abuse behind me. Just for the record, so that no one gets the wrong impression, throughout the episode I treated you with dignity and respect, even at your worst. Your final comment was, ‘ lol! Stuart, please move on. This page is clearly not for you.’ You were right, I have moved on…from you tirade. Unfortunately I can never move on from my Christian teaching.

    Your belief that only your views are the right views are as dangerous as those of Hitler and the Nazis, you fuel peoples hatred in a way that it sounds credible to those weaker than you. If your opinions are taken as you write, you would have people like me wearing yellow stars or pink triangles etc in camps away from the rest of humanity. You and your venomous attacks are equal to, if not worse than the Nazis, because you, as an educated woman know where your type of hatred leads to.

    You will be pleased to know that I am now going to move on and not indulge you in your narcissistic rantings any more. Bless you.

    • Stuart, please. Now you are a victim, right? I always am fascinated that the very people who try to tell me that I am a hateful Christian are those who say they don’t believe in Christ. If you don’t believe in Christ, then how can you speak to my Christianity? How would you KNOW what being a Christian is or should be?

      I am a Nazi for saying that most homosexuals hate Christ? Really? No. I am stating the truth- exactly as YOU demonstrate with your own rejection of Christ. Is it not so that you are a person who practices homosexuality and also rejects Christ? It IS so- by your own words. I have never seen a sin that so wholly separates a human from God. I don’t know WHY that is so, but it IS so. The lines are drawn so clearly across this community- it is quite startling. There is something to the practice of homosexuality that DRIVES people from Jesus. The fact that you feel that my mere uncovering of this truth is HATE is illogical. If it IS, it IS. Stating fact isn’t hate. When did I say to persecute people involved in this practice? When did I say I hated them? When did I recommend shunning them? Or not witnessing to them? Stuart. It is not MY way or the highway. It is GODS way or the highway. I am but a mouthpiece.

      YOU don’t want to hear it because you don’t want to feel God’s judgement. But better mine than his! If I didn’t love people, I would remain silent. But I DO love people- even YOU! If I didn’t speak, you would go along in your life without a ripple to disturb your peace of mind. And you would go to hell. Death. Finito. Done. Is that what you really want? I know you don’t. NO ONE feels it is natural to die. Our very souls REJECT that notion. We know- and have always known throughout all our history- that we are not meant to close our eyes forever- to have our essence snuffed out. It is… Unnatural. Stuart, I can only hope that I have irritated you enough that you RETHINK your path. Jesus is your salvation. IF you would bend your knee and give your entire life to him, you will FIND life and a joy that no amount of intellectual reasoning can fathom. What is sex to that? You bless me at the end of your statement. But how can you bless me? If there is no God, then there is no one to bless me- not me, not you. But I DO ask GOD to bless YOU. You would not have come back here if you were not seeking HIM. I do not hate you Stuart. And if my laugh offended you, I am sorry. I am only a woman and I do not always deliver the message of Christ perfectly. In fact, I NEVER deliver it perfectly. No one can. But the Holy Spirit is moving me NOW to witness to YOU. There is a better way, Stuart. A better way to live. I am NOT righteous- I am a low down sinner like you. I just have the peace of mind that I need NOT be perfect or righteous in any way because Jesus has forgiven me in every way. No matter what you have done, Jesus loves you. No matter what names you might have called him, he still loves you. No matter what crime, what action- he will wash you clean- spotless before God. But you need to come. You must give your ENTIRE life. Because he is our King, Stuart. He does indeed demand EVERYTHING. You want to know my imperfect, sad, ridiculous story? Read it at the following link. See how very ‘righteous’ I am. Ha! (see, I laugh at myself too!) https://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/one-christians-journey/

    • She is NOT hateful, she is loving and telling people the TRUTH in a rebuke.
      Grow up!!

      Leviticus 18:22
      1 Corinthians 6:9:

      Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

    • Ah, little warrior, Here is my short answer to you. You can see the longer one on your blog. You are very RELIGIOUS, I see. Religion is a cancer on the Body of Christ.

      “20 Woe to those who call evil good
      and good evil,
      who put darkness for light
      and light for darkness,
      who put bitter for sweet
      and sweet for bitter.

      21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
      and clever in their own sight.”

      • Do you plan to allow my initial comment here? I would appreciate a response to it. I went over my problems with what you have written on that comment, but if you choose not to, we can continue the discussion on my blog. By all means..

  11. Hey. I’m an atheist. I kind of oppose Jesus, but I oppose homosexuality more. (You can find out why on my blog if you search for “homo”.)

    Maybe I’m unusual. I just happen to reach many of the same conclusions without religion that I did with religion. I would just rather reason things out for myself than have them force fed to me as if I were a baby.

    So, I agree with some of the things Jesus said in the Bible. I just don’t worship Jesus. To worship is to be a brainwashed, small-minded, little sheep.

    Personally, I think Jesus was an anarchist (“Call no one ‘Father’…”), which is why I think if he were alive he’d be fine with me questioning the undue authority that so many others unfortunately try to give him anyway.

    • Matthew, the only reason you are ‘kind of’ and atheist is because there is no such thing as an atheist. There are only three types of people: those who know who Christ is and have accepted him, those who know who Christ is and reject him and those who don’t know who Christ is. I can tell you, with all my being, that the pursuit of Christ and the understaning of God’s Word is the most intellectually challenging thing a human can do. I laugh when you say it is to be dumb or sheep like. And there are many people in the Bible who were loved by God and were extremely wild and independent and imperfect- think Peter. You quoted Jesus but you didn’t get the whole quote. He said to not call another HUMAN ‘rabbi’ or ‘father’ because there is only ONE father- and that is GOD. So… you are kind of off base there. I pray that you do not end up like that one guy who asked Jesus what he needed to do to get to heaven. Jesus told him to sell everything and follow him. But the guy, who had lived righteously in every way according to the Law, couldn’t do that. Jesus told him that he was ‘very close’ to the kingdom of God. How awful to be ‘very close’, but not able to enter. I highly suggest you read your Bible. If you search on my blog, I have created a great reading plan for those who want the fast track on understanding God, Christ and current day politics. Good luck to you!

  12. Dear Susan, I know that you mean well, but God tells us to be as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves – in order that we are effective in liberating others. I honestly think that your style, ungracious and judgemental approach to everyone who disagrees with you will have the effect of driving people away. To truly love your enemies does not mean to stand back with a sad smile and say how evil they are, it means to get alongside them, show care and compassion to them and gently introduce Christs freedom. Beware who you are rebelling against!
    May God cover all our sins with his grace….
    Phil

    • Not so. Minimalist. In that light, then Jesus would not have qualified as a ‘good’ Christian. Please Read Matthew 24. I’m not sure just how many names and words of condemnation Jesus rained down on the political leaders of the time, but there are many. Same with John the Baptist. This, new, modern view of what ‘good’ Christians are is not Biblical. Sorry.

      • Dear Susan, I can see that you will not change your views now, although maybe when you’ve learned more wisdom you will.

        But for those who might pass by I’ll remind that Jesus endorsed two commandments, to love God with all our heart, strength, mind and soul, and to love our neighbours as ourselves. That sums up the whole law.

        Christ is gracious, courageous and loving. Even to those who killed him he said ‘forgive them’. We can do no better than to love him, .love our fellow man, forgive others and leave all judgement to God.

      • minimalist- the flaw with your argument is that YOU believe you are THE authority that gets to define LOVE. Jesus defined it himself. First, he defined love for our Father as OBEDIENCE to God’s commands. Your second flaw is that you ignore how CHRIST’s love was: Let me show you CHRIST and how he LOVED the men who were called the Pharisees and Sadducees. In RELIGIOUS people’s book, CHRIST is not even ‘Christ like’. Or, do you suppose that you can judge Christ as ‘hateful’ too? I notice that religious people can not respond to the Scripture I quote. That is because no human can argue with God’s Word. When I support my position and my actions according to God’s Word, YOU, if you love me, will show me the error of my understanding by quoting scripture more correctly than I did. But this is impossible for you because you are in error. Here is Christ’s example of LOVE: “There is only ONE thing happening with you. 13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, YOU HYPOCRITES! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]

        15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, YOU HYPOCRITES! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

        16 “Woe to you, BLIND GUIDE! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 YOU BLIND FOOLS! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 YOU BLIND MEN! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

        23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 YOU BLIND GUIDES! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

        25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, BUT INSIDE THEY ARE FULL OF GREED AND SELF INDULGENCE. 26 BLIND PHARISEE! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

        27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! YOU ARE LIKE WHITE WASHED TOMBS, WHICH LOOK BEAUTIFUL ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT ON THE INSIDE ARE FULL OF THE BONES OF THE DEAD AND EVERYTHING UNCLEAN. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside YOU ARE FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND WICKEDNESS!

        29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who MURDERED THE PROPHETS. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

        33 “YOU SNAKES! YOU BROOD OF VIPERS! HOW WILL YOU ESCAPE BEING CONDEMNED TO HELL? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

        37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, YOU WHO MURDER AND KILL THE PROPHETS and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”

        See? Even Jesus is not Christian enough for you religious types! The Jesus you preach about NEVER EXISTED. The REAL Jesus was one tough nut on sin. And he didn’t sit there next to them, patting their knees and telling them it would all be ok. You have ONE problem with me: you don’t like my politics and you don’t like the TRUTH. I can assure you with confidence, the Lord God is on my side on this one.

      • Dear Susan,
        I’m taking the time to reply only because you asked me to show you the error of your understanding.
        I know little of you, but I know you have already judged me a hypocrite. I know that you are as confident as the teachers of religious law in Jesus day, the pharisees. I know that you refuse a ‘prayer’ from me. I know from the tone of your final response that you despise me.
        Is any of that godly behaviour?
        James 3:10
        Unfortunately when I read the quotes above, I wonder if I can’t replace ‘pharisee’ with ‘short little rebel’. I urge you to take stock. I urge you to pray as David did:

        Search me, O God, and know my heart!
        Try me and know my thoughts!
        And see if there be any grievous way in me,
        and lead me in the way everlasting.

      • Also, Minimalist. You speak of forgiveness. Show me where I show a lack of forgiveness! In fact, I never speak to forgiveness because these people do not need my forgiveness. They only need CHRIST’S forgiveness. I have nothing, whatsoever, to forgive. I am WARNING them of their impending death- as God told Ezekiel to do. I am telling the TRUTH to them that their continual sin separates them from God- thus they will DIE. While these people might appreciate a nice head pat from the likes of you, they will not thank you when they are sent to hell to die a terrible death. They will curse you. It is not I who needs to examine my heart or seek for wisdom. It is you. Even your prayer for me is abusive of Christ. And my dear man, you WILL be held to account. The Jesus that you preach never existed. He was tough. He was direct. He was a provocateur. He spoke loudly in public and he damned men to certain hell- in front of EVERYONE. I posted Jesus’ OWN words in my response to you. Your version of the milk toast Jesus… is imaginary- it was created by men so that you can live non-courageous lives that reflect your OWN version of morality- not HIS and certainly, not God’s. Lastly, the very reason homosexual immorality is on the rampant rise is because of people like you. You simper. You pat their heads. You tell them God loves everyone (yet another lie) and you deceive them about what is going to happen to them. The way I see it, your pandering, begging Christianity didn’t help these people at all- it only led to more people who will die- YOU are cursing these people to eternal death and you do it with a little halo over your head. So, perhaps they will listen if they hear the TRUTH about the path they are on. It’s worth a shot. Believe me when I tell you, it is I who love them, not you. Want to see the servant of Christ? Look for the one that is despised. Then you will KNOW you have found them. I’ll bet you just ‘get along’ with everyone, don’t you? Well then, according to Christ’s own words, “If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.” John 15:19. Now, if you don’t mind, I will not accept your hypocritical ‘prayer’. Good day to you.

  13. By the people who choose what parts of the Bible to believe in I hope you include yourself. You seem to have forgotten that Jesus commanded and exemplified love to all those without belief. Without hope. Obviously, you have chosen not to follow that part. If you really wish to understand instead of isolate, try watching Lord Save us from your Followers. That is the transformative love of Christ for the lost you seem to lack.

    Blessings on your journey.

    • No, and you must prove what you say. Biblically. I believe in the ENTIRE BIBLE. What troubles many Christians is that they think THEY get to define what Christ LOVE looks like! They don’t want to actually EMULATE Christ- they want to emulate themselves and their own ideas! Here is what CHRIST love looks like. By your own definition, CHRIST is a ‘hater’. 13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, YOU HYPOCRITES! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [b]

      15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, YOU HYPOCRITES! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

      16 “Woe to you, BLIND GUIDE! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 YOU BLIND FOOLS! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 YOU BLIND MEN! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

      23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 YOU BLIND GUIDES! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

      25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, BUT INSIDE THEY ARE FULL OF GREED AND SELF INDULGENCE. 26 BLIND PHARISEE! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

      27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! YOU ARE LIKE WHITE WASHED TOMBS, WHICH LOOK BEAUTIFUL ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT ON THE INSIDE ARE FULL OF THE BONES OF THE DEAD AND EVERYTHING UNCLEAN. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside YOU ARE FULL OF HYPOCRISY AND WICKEDNESS!

      29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you HYPOCRITES! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who MURDERED THE PROPHETS. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

      33 “YOU SNAKES! YOU BROOD OF VIPERS! HOW WILL YOU ESCAPE BEING CONDEMNED TO HELL? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

      37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, YOU WHO MURDER AND KILL THE PROPHETS and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[c]”

      See? Even Jesus is not Christian enough for you religious types! The Jesus you preach about NEVER EXISTED. The REAL Jesus was one tough nut on sin. And he didn’t sit there next to them, patting their knees and telling them it would all be ok.

  14. I have actually met a lot of gay people who are religious. Some are regular church goers, others might not be regular church goers but they pray and have faith and try to incorporate Christian values into their lives. Why might there be a significant percentage of gay atheists? Probably because many organized religions are hostile to gay people. It was the church that started it. This has not always been the case however, there is a lot of evidence that homosexuals were common in the early Christian Church. It was still sort of taboo but it was tolerated, there were even ceremonies honoring relationships between same sex couples. They weren’t official marriages per se but they did honor the love and commitment between two people. Lets just accept for a minute that homosexuality is a sin(I don’t personally believe that and there are only about two bible passages that mention homosexuality and they are rather vague on whether it is actually considered a sin). There are far far greater sins. Some Christians seem totally focused on this one, they conveniently tend to ignore what the bible has to say about rampant greed capitalism and war, because it doesn’t fit their secular political views. Oh and renegade agnostics and atheists are a much bigger percent of the US population than that. Atheists are about 8 percent. As far as the number of agnostics go that kind of depends on how you define agnostic but its probably more like a third.

    • Tyler, your comment was full of things people like to say, but are actually completely erroneous. There are MANY verses in the Bible- one from Christ himself- that directly oppose homosexuality. And they are as clear as a sunny day here in the Pacific Northwest. I have written an article that outlines them pretty well. And I didn’t include them all- not by a long shot. I didn’t include the ones that could be taken wrong or interpreted differently- like the ones that condemn male prostitution- a favorite among those who practice homosexuality. They focus on the prostitution part. Which would make sense of the very act of homosexual sex was not so clearly condemned in so many other locations throughout the Bible.

      As for early churches, again, I don’t know where you get that information- but Paul of Tarsas began the very earliest churches known to man. And he was the one who wrote the book of Romans- where homosexual sex is roundly condemned as an abomination to God. According to Paul, ALL people engaged in any kind of sexual immorality were to be removed from the church if they would not stop after being counseled to do so (three times). So, the early church most certainly did not accept this behavior. It most certainly DID occur- but it has NEVER been considered MORAL and right before God.

      As for the severity of sin issue you mention. Sure there are MANY sins. And guess what? They are ALL wrong! And who, pray tell, are YOU to say you know which sins are worse than others? Do you know God’s mind? No, you don’t. And neither do I. If God is God (and he is), then we just obey him if we know what’s good for us. You think we focus on homosexuality, but WE don’t. Homosexuals do. This would be a non issue and no one would bother talking about it if homosexuals weren’t trying to force Christians to say it is ‘normal’, ‘acceptable’, and best yet, “GOOD and MORAL” before God. That is where the problem lies. Not with us. We merely react to the insistence of this crowd that we 1) say marriage is ‘moral’ between a man and a man or a woman and a woman- Jesus himself said this was not so. HE, from his own lips, declared that marriage is between a man and a woman- and that all sex outside of marriage is wrong. No Christian will tell you that sex outside of holy matrimony is ‘moral’ and ‘good’ in God’s eyes. And guess what? No one is trying to force us to say that! But EVERYONE, including you, wants us to DISOBEY God. And if we choose not to disobey the God of the Universe, you call us ‘haters’. That is simply not true. We are obedient to GOD. And those who practice homosexuality are being disobedient. Those of us who love God will never deny him his right to define what is ‘moral’. That is just not going to happen. Who should we obey: mankind or the One who made mankind? We choose God. And it is the right and wise choice. Therefore, the ‘ones who started it’ are the homosexuals.

      As for why homosexuals are atheists (almost all of them are), it is simple: They KNOW what they do is against God. The Bible is very clear about it. And the Bible is all that we have to know the mind of God. And if God is God, (which he is), then he is capable of writing a book that will last the test of time. Or he isn’t God, is he? Certainly not a God worth worshiping. Those who wish to practice this type of sex know they are sinning and in their shame, they get angry with God. Mostly because their desire for this type of sex is stronger than their to please God. Thus, they think they can rid themselves of the guilt and shame by saying that God, the one who said this sex was WRONG,simply doesn’t exist. But like little children who cover their ears when Mommy tells them to clean their room, their problem has not gone away in the least.

      As for Christians ignoring greed & the devastation brought by war, again, I have no idea where you get this. Obama is pro-homosexual and HE has started more wars than any president before him. I certainly don’t support the various wars in the Middle East- Libya, Egypt, Yemen and now Syria. Do you?

    • Tyler, just because a gay person believes and acts like a Christian doesn’t mean he is. Many “Christians” believe that homosexuality is ok, but they don’t inderstand the nature of sin, and why sin is sin. Man and Woman were created in God’s image. Husband and Wife are a picture, a representation of the relationship God has with the Church, His Bride. We were meant to be an image of God on earth, to show forth God’s glory and His truth. Sin is ANYTHING that marrs or distorts that image of God and that of His Bride, the Church. Jesus is Truth. Man was meant to represent God’s truth, therefore deceit is sin. God selflessly loves and serves His Bride. Any Husband that does less is sinning. God is Love. Anything that is not done in love, is sin.

      Homosexuality is a sin because it desecrates God’s image that He placed in man at the beginning of creation. God gave the marriage between and man and woman to be a picture of the relationship Jesus has with His Bride the Church. Just as a husband loves and marries his bride, places his seed in her in order that she bear fruit (a child) for her husband, so Christ places His Seed, the Holy Spirit into each believer so that they bear spiritual fruit for Him. God is all about bearing fruit. Throughout the Old Testament, barren women were considered cursed and rejected by God. Throughout the entire Bible you will see examples of God’s desire for fruitfulness. In fact, it is written all over creation. Jesus told us that, unless a grain of wheat falls into the grough and dies, it cannot grow up and bear fruit. Jesus told the Pharisees that the kingdom would be taken from them and given to a people who would bear its fruit. It was given to the Gentiles.
      Homosexuality is a picture of fruitlessness. It is a sterile relationship with no purpose but its own pleasure. The fact that two homosexuals “love” each other is irrelevant. They cannot bear fruit.
      Sin is a cancer that has spread throughout humanity, corrupting every part of our being, including the emotions. To overcome sin, those emotions must be healed by God’s love and truth.
      In the same way, abortion is murder. The Church is a type of Womb into which God’s Seed is placed. That Seed gives birth to a child of God, who leaves darkeness and is brough into the Light through blood and water. The breaking of the water is a type of baptism. As blood and water flowed from the side of Christ on the cross, so the Church is born out of the side of Christ as Eve was born out of the side of Adam.
      The Ark of Noah is a type of womb, and the floodwaters are baptism (according to Peter). Noah leaving the Ark through the Door (a type of birth canal) entering a new washed and cleansed earth is a picture of a child of God becoming a new spiritual creation, being born again into the Kingdom of God. Rahab hanging a red cord, a type of umbilical cord, from her window (another type of birth canal) is a picture of Rahab being saved through the blood. The Israelites painting the Doorposts with the Lamb’s blood and then passing through the Red Sea is a picture of being born of blood and water, a death and a resurrection into new life in Christ. The stone on the tomb is a picture of God opening the Womb as Christ is resurrected, born anew. The term “opening the womb” refers to the birth of the firstborn Child, the firstfruits. Jesus is the firstfruits, the Head of the Church. Because He rose from the dead, His Body will also rise from the dead. The appearance of the baby’s head, interestingly, is called the Crowning. We died with Him and because He rose out of the Waters of the wrath of God (the Flood, the Sea, the Jordan) so we also will rise. But unbelievers will be drowned in the waters of God’s wrath when He returns to raise up His Bride.
      Unbelievers like Pharaoh who refuse to “let God’s people go” thereby destroying the picture, the image of our birth and our resurrection, will be destroyed, drown in the waters of God’s wrath.
      So abortion pictures the murder of one of God’s children, and homosexuality pictures spiritual adultery, a sterile lifeless relationship, without fruit. Both are an abomination in God’s eyes.
      The Bible seems to imply that a culture’s acceptance of homosexuality is “the last straw,” the filling up of the full measure of the sin of a nation. The cup of God’s wrath will soon be poured out.

      • Hello Toddot, A very excellent and scriptural description of God’s relationship to the church as mirrored by man’s relationship to woman. Homosexuality is both fruitless and literally fails to ‘fit’. When the homosexual relationship is between two men, the ‘fit’ is completely disgusting and ‘unclean’. It is impishly perverse that satan would want to twist that critical biblical metaphor in the bible. His true aim, of course, is to split man from God.

        However, and I am speaking strictly from a scholarly standpoint, your biblical analysis concerning abortion and Noah’s Ark is.. well, a stretch. I can’t see that as related to birth or the ark as a womb or birth canal. I think that the argument against abortion must remain within the ‘thou shall not kill’ realm. That is my opinion, in any case. Thank you for writing in and sharing your thoughts, Susan

  15. “Why Are Homosexuals Almost Always Jesus Haters?” That’s what’s known as “Straw Man” in philosophy. The average Joe calls it a dishonest argument used to support your personal bias. I see in all of your replies that you have convinced yourself that your presuppositions are true and then argue based on the fact that you have first accepted your conclusion. You then form your evidence around the conclusion.

    Unfortunately, a great many gay people are religious. They have been convinced that the only way to find any sense of worth is to make a religion that despises them fit into their world view. In other words, they do exactly what you do: make your god in your own image.

    “No, I don’t have stats. What I have is experience. Every homosexual that comes to my page is a raging hater of Christ. Without exception.” Do you not see how absurd this is? Are you so blinded by your own hate that you can’t see why gay people would be offended by said hate? They aren’t raging haters; no, they are people who despise being picked on by jerks in the name of invisible sky fairies. Most of them don’t give a flying f$#k about your zombie god. Especially those who are atheists.

    If you had any sense of logic, you would see how flawed it is to say that atheists hate gods. That doesn’t make sense. Do you hate unicorns, closet monsters, Santa Clause? No, of course not! Why would you hate that which does not exist. Grow up. Keep your faith. Nobody should or can take that from you. But grow up. Quit making ridiculous, childish, asinine statements about those who won’t take your hateful crap. Of course they think you are a terrible person. You would think they were terrible people if they said being a christian makes you deserve death. And at least you would have a choice in the matter of retaining your faith. You can’t post absurd ideas and expect nobody to call you on them. Well, you can, but that makes no sense. Oh wait, you’ve proven that you’re not interested in making sense. Your goal is to make the data fit the conclusion.

    • Ray. I say that all homosexuals and so-called atheists hate God because it is TRUE. And this truth is observable fact. The reality is that there ARE no atheists. Just rebellious children of God. You prove everyday that God exists by spending all your wealth and time trying to prove otherwise. Do I erect signs that unicorns don’t exist? no. Do so-called atheists spend tons of money to erect billboards that God doesn’t exist? Yes, yes they do. Do I form lobby groups to call for a change of law- to exclude Santa Clause from our laws? No, no I don’t. Do so-called atheists spend money and time trying to remove God from laws even though they are not hurt by his name? Yes, yes they do. Do I spend money and time going around the nation and lobbying town halls to remove all plastic santas from public property? No, no I don’t. Do so called atheists spend tremendous time and energy trying to remove all plastic nativity scenes from public property? yes, yes they do. Ray, I love when so called atheists tell me that I have no logic. I really do. Because in doing so, you expose yourselves over and over again. Never have I seen people with more faith in the existence of God than so-called athiests. If they truly didn’t believe in God any more than I don’t believe in Santa, they would treat the ‘myth’ as I treat the Santa myth: I just leave it alone and let people enjoy their fantasy in peace. ha!

  16. I never got past the first few paragraphs of your article (reading this really pisses me off and sort of makes me sad). So I just want to correct you on some of what you said. You say that alcohol is less dangerous that pot. It’s the opposite. Though it can be a gate way drug, marajuana has no actual health effects (it’s now recognized by the state of Oregon as legal (: ). But alcohol can cause cancer, cardiovascular disease, depression, dimensia, seizures, high blood pressure, memory loss and so many other negative impacts. Alcohol is considered to be even more dangerous than cocaine and heroine. Don’t go telling people that it’s not.

  17. I was talking to my mum who is an elder and teacher at here church about your post on homosexuality. I am not a ‘Christian’, not in the way that you or her view it (you and I discussed this privately a couple of years back). In talking to her about this subject she told me that no sin is any greater or smaller than any other; a sin is a sin, they are not graded in size. So, if you use the telephone at work without permission, use the photocopier without permission, drive over the speed limit, get too much change at the supermarket and keep it… you get the picture, you commit a sinful act. Does this not just all come under the umbrella of ‘sin’? Isn’t theft, deceit, violence, abuse etc not equal to the sin of homosexuality?

    • Hi Stuart, I know where your mother is coming from. But no, sin is not sin. That statement is not biblical- it is just like so many other little platitudes Christians have made up over the years. Others include, “Hate the Sin, Love the Sinner” “Judge Not, Lest you be judged”. They have evolved to mean things that the bible absolutely does not confirm. In fact, they say the opposite of what the bible says. The bible clearly shows that there are some sins that God hates more than others. Homosexuality lists as one of his most hated sins. Now, I believe that the origin of that statement is the belief that all men are sinners. That much is true. We are all sinners and thus, are all in equal need of a Savior. But that doesn’t, by extension, mean that all sins are equal in God’s eyes. No. Murder is far worse than lying. There is a reason why homosexuality is one of the bad ones. I highly suggest you read my article called, You are not Gay, You are a Child of God. I explain there why it is so offensive to God. Or, rather, why I think it is so offensive to him. What I can say 100% is that it IS one of his most hated sins.

      Christian churches are guilty of a thing called DOCTRINE. That is why I detest denominations more and more as I age. When I read the little arrogant booklets that house the Doctrine of each denomination, I am floored, absolutely floored, at the sheer arrogance of Man. Each denomination dares to say, “This is THE only true interpretation of the bible. If you don’t believe it, you are going to hell.” Ha! And then, they have the sheer nerve to draw a little stick picture of what God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit look like. Yeah, right. Time locked creatures dare to say they KNOW what a creature, so much greater than they and living OUTSIDE of time, looks like. They dare to say that they KNOW what his mental, physical (if he has one), spiritual NATURE looks like. And it doesn’t end there! Nooooo! Oh, no. The arrogance of little tiny human beings is not content with that laughable bit of arrogance. No. now, they dare to say that they KNOW how THREE of these timeless Beings INTERACT with one another. I tell you, Stuart, I can see why people like you want to throw the lot of us off the cliff! But WE have nothing to do with God. And no one of even average intelligence would reason that to be so.

      God exists despite his creations’ stupidity. What we do has nothing to do with his being. A wise man understands this and tends to his own life and future. Yours depends on God’s good will, Stuart. You don’t have all the time in the world. Only what God grants you. He is a loving patient God. But he is also just. Be careful not to test or tempt him. Do not ever curse his name or curse the Holy Spirit or call God satan. Or you will not be forgiven. You must free yourself from your silk prison- for that is where you are. Do me a favor, Stuart. Please read C.S. Lewis’ Screw Tape Letter. That will tell you where I think you are in life. Don’t be the client in that book. Susan

  18. This man is on top of it 100: percent right take note people we are seeing the very last days . Please brothers and sisters wake up call on jesus befor its to late satan will take your soul and eat you alive and then sit back a say he is your god. Jesus Christ is the trueliveing God

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