“Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin?” That’s Not What God or Jesus Do!

Jesus will NOT forgive those who do not ask for it. Nor will he forgive those who refuse to obey God's commands on purpose. Only a FEW will make it to heaven. That means it will be a hard road, Friends.
Jesus will NOT forgive those who do not ask for it. Nor will he forgive those who refuse to obey God’s commands on purpose. Only a FEW will make it to heaven. That means it will be a hard road, Friends.

The statement ‘love the sinner but hate the sin” is just one of many lies being spread by this new Milquetoast Christianity.   It is not in the Bible at all- no one uttered those words or those sentiments. God literally hated the sinner too sometimes. Certain sins made him angrier than others. This statement is not biblical in any sense I see. It is, in fact, contradictory to what God does. God is shown, quite a few times in the Old Testament, to hate the people themselves. We have an awesome and fearful God.  Why do I write about this subject?  Because we have lost the most important thing concerning our relationship with God- fear.  We are to fear the Lord our God if we ever wish to develop wisdom in his Word.    Our modern day church has become lukewarm- and thus, has lost the powerful hold over the minds of men.  Ultimately, this only hurts mankind.  In order to properly approach God, we need to fear him.  We need to understand his utter dominance over us- his complete sovereignty.  Mankind, in his never ending ignorance, has felt it to be a better ‘lure’ to church to use only words of love and softness.  They have decided in their infinite non-wisdom to simply ignore the sheer magnitude of God.  Whole books are never mentioned in sermons.  Entire chapters are never referenced.  As if they are ‘too scary’ for people to handle.  Meanwhile, God knows exactly what he made when he made man.  He knows we have a stubborn, disobedient heart.  He knows that he is the perfect answer to our cravings and needs.  We are literally nothing outside of him.  ALL of the bible is necessary for us to have a real relationship with him.  In order to be healthy human beings, we need every single word of God.  I wish to stand up against the lukewarm, milquetoast Christianity.  I wish to re-present it as it was always meant to be.  These are the words that so called atheists need to hear- as it now stands, they have no fear of God- and no one has ever told them otherwise.  You already know all the words of love and devotion from the Lord- we have heard them ad nauseam.  Now, digest and understand the rest of God’s word.  Fearing God is the beginning of wisdom.  No truer words were ever spoken.

19 When Jehoshaphat king of Judah returned safely to his palace in Jerusalem,Jehu the seer, the son of Hanani, went out to meet him and said to the king, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, the wrath of the Lord is on you. There is, however, some good in you, for you have rid the land of the Asherah poles and have set your heart on seeking God.”- 2 Chronicles 19: 1-3
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For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness;
with you, evil people are not welcome.
The arrogant cannot stand
in your presence.
You hate all who do wrong;
    you destroy those who tell lies.
The bloodthirsty and deceitful
    you, Lord, detest.  Psalm 5:4-6
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He observes everyone on earth;
his eyes examine them.
The Lord examines the righteous,
but the wicked, those who love violence,
    he hates with a passion.
On the wicked he will rain
fiery coals and burning sulfur;
a scorching wind will be their lot. For the Lord is righteous,
he loves justice;
the upright will see his face. -Psalm 11:4-7
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Lord, who may dwell in your sacred tent?
    Who may live on your holy mountain?

The one whose walk is blameless,
    who does what is righteous,
    who speaks the truth from their heart;
whose tongue utters no slander,
    who does no wrong to a neighbor,
    and casts no slur on others;
who despises a vile person
    but honors those who fear the Lord;
who keeps an oath even when it hurts,
    and does not change their mind;
who lends money to the poor without interest;
    who does not accept a bribe against the innocent.

Whoever does these things
    will never be shaken.– Psalm 15

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Vindicate me, Lord,
    for I have led a blameless life;
I have trusted in the Lord
    and have not faltered.
Test me, Lord, and try me,
    examine my heart and my mind;
for I have always been mindful of your unfailing love
    and have lived in reliance on your faithfulness.

 

4 I do not sit with the deceitful,
    nor do I associate with hypocrites.
I abhor the assembly of evildoers
    and refuse to sit with the wicked.
I wash my hands in innocence,
    and go about your altar, Lord,
proclaiming aloud your praise
    and telling of all your wonderful deeds.

 

Lord, I love the house where you live,
    the place where your glory dwells.
Do not take away my soul along with sinners,
    my life with those who are bloodthirsty,
10 in whose hands are wicked schemes,
    whose right hands are full of bribes.
11 I lead a blameless life;
    deliver me and be merciful to me.- psalm 26

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22 “‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out.
23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you.
Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.- Leviticus 20: 22-23
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16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19   a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.- Proverbs 6:16-19

[by the fact that he hates ‘a false witness’, a person, we can see that it is the person with haughty eyes, lying tongue, hands that shed blood, a heart that devises, etc.  Obviously, God doesn’t actually hate your body parts, but the person who owns them]

And Love is defined by Jesus as OBEDIENCE to his commands.   Without obedience, we can not show our love to Jesus or to God.

10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. – John 15:10

He also stated that the greatest love we can possibly show to our fellow men is not sappy, comforting words, but an ACTION- to lay down our lives for our friends. To lay down our lives is also to endure being hated for their sake- as Jesus was hated for ours.

12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.” -John 15: 12-14

Jesus explains that the only reason we will be hated is because of his name. So, to speak the truth of God and Jesus is to automatically be hated.  Jesus always told the truth- and that is why he was hated.  He didn’t sugar coat anything.  And neither should we.  When you sugar coat, the world loves you. By Jesus’ definition of love/hate, this means you are OF the world. And thus, not ‘for’ him.

18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.” – John 15:18-19

Therefore, the greatest love you can have for your fellow man is to tell them the TRUTH- and to be hated for it.  Love is not sappy, sugar coated lies.

God said, “FEAR ME”.  Listen to God, himself, speak:

“Why should I forgive you?
Your children have forsaken me
and sworn by gods that are not gods.
I supplied all their needs,
yet they committed adultery
and thronged to the houses of prostitutes.
They are well-fed, lusty stallions,
each neighing for another man’s wife.
Should I not punish them for this?”
declares the Lord.
“Should I not avenge myself
on such a nation as this?

21 Hear this, you foolish and senseless people,
who have eyes but do not see,
who have ears but do not hear:
22 Should you not fear me?” declares the Lord.
“Should you not tremble in my presence?
I made the sand a boundary for the sea,
an everlasting barrier it cannot cross.
The waves may roll, but they cannot prevail;
they may roar, but they cannot cross it.
23 But these people have stubborn and rebellious hearts;
they have turned aside and gone away.
24 They do not say to themselves,
‘Let us fear the Lord our God,
who gives autumn and spring rains in season,
who assures us of the regular weeks of harvest.’
25 Your wrongdoings have kept these away;
your sins have deprived you of good.  — Jeremiah 5:7-9, 21-25

Even Jesus said to fear God:

“I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.”  Luke 12:1-5

There are so many references to fearing God, that I can’t put them all here.  Look here to see more if you don’t believe me.

Fearing God is right and moral.  Would we fear a God who is always sugary and nice and forgiving and loving?  No!  You fear a God who can kill and destroy you at a moment’s notice!  He HATES sin and if the sin is great enough, he hates the sinner too.   God laughs at the puniness of mankind.  All our struggles against him are a joke.  He deigns to let us live.  It is out of kindness that he is patient.

Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying,
“Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

The One enthroned in heaven laughs;    the Lord scoffs at them.He rebukes them in his anger    and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,“I have installed my king    on Zion, my holy mountain.”

Forgiveness is another notion that the Milquetoast Christian Church lies about.  It is NOT automatic as so many Christians like to believe. “God always loves so he will always forgive…”  No so!  It is clear that God willingly hardens hearts for the specific reason that they CAN NOT be saved.  He wants them to die and die in hell- by ‘want’, I mean that God WILLS it to be so.  He doesn’t enjoy it, but he most certainly has decreed it.

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.

This was spoken by Jesus- the very personification of love!!!

Fear God!  Our God loves.  But not always.  People, especially today, need to understand this.  And we need to tell them the truth.  They will go to hell.  And by God’s holy will.

While we are not to become bitter or bogged down with anger and a desire for revenge, there is nothing in the Bible that would indicate that we should forgive when it hasn’t been asked for.   This is another falsehood so prevalent in modern Christian thought.  We are to release the hurt to Jesus and trust that he will take revenge for us!  God certainly has no plans to forgive if you don’t ask for forgiveness with a repentant heart.    Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.  Jesus plans on taking revenge on those who have harmed us and who refuse to ask forgiveness for their actions.  This mushy gushy notion of forgiveness is nonsense.

Jesus, the one who personifies all that is good and moral, will quickly and justly send those who are not sorry straight to hell. No forgiveness there.  See Jesus’ depiction of heaven & hell and God’s view of those who have died:

19 “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.”- Luke 16: 19-31

This should frighten you.  You have your chance.  Once it is gone, you don’t get another one.  There will BE no compassion then.

Christians have so twisted the real Bible meanings in their efforts to be ‘acceptable’ to polite society that they are almost to the point of telling lies.  Prophets in the old days used to do this too- and for the exact same reasons.  Here is what God says about that:

12 They [Religious Leaders] have lied about the Lord;
they said, “He will do nothing!
No harm will come to us;
we will never see sword or famine.
13 The prophets are but wind
and the word is not in them;
so let what they say be done to them.”

30 “A horrible and shocking thing
has happened in the land:
31 The prophets prophesy lies,
the priests rule by their own authority,
and my people love it this way.
But what will you do in the end? Jeremiah 5: 12-13, 30- 31

This, to me, is exactly why many people are not even interested in God.  These lies are so… irrelevant to human beings- they don’t even speak to the human heart.  It doesn’t mesh with their human experience.  In fact, it makes them feel superior to God and Jesus.  Who worships something less than themselves?  No wonder they yawn!

Milquetoast Christianity is dead and it is deadening.  Start telling the truth about God and Jesus.  They are to be feared.  That is the beginning of wisdom.  And the beginning of showing our love for them.

10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;
all who follow his precepts have good understanding.
To him belongs eternal praise.- Psalm 111:10

Allow me to finish this article with the most stirring description of God- by God himself.  He declared this to Job.  Job had passed God’s incredible test, but had raged at God for all that he had suffered.  Here is what God said,

Job Chapter38

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:

“Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
“Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 “Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons
or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s dominion over the earth?
34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom
or gives the rooster understanding?
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?

39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

Chapter 39
“Do you know when the mountain goats give birth?
Do you watch when the doe bears her fawn?
Do you count the months till they bear?
Do you know the time they give birth?
They crouch down and bring forth their young;
their labor pains are ended.
Their young thrive and grow strong in the wilds;
they leave and do not return.

“Who let the wild donkey go free?
Who untied its ropes?
I gave it the wasteland as its home,
the salt flats as its habitat.
It laughs at the commotion in the town;
it does not hear a driver’s shout.
It ranges the hills for its pasture
and searches for any green thing.
“Will the wild ox consent to serve you?
Will it stay by your manger at night?
10 Can you hold it to the furrow with a harness?
Will it till the valleys behind you?
11 Will you rely on it for its great strength?
Will you leave your heavy work to it?
12 Can you trust it to haul in your grain
and bring it to your threshing floor?
13 “The wings of the ostrich flap joyfully,
though they cannot compare
with the wings and feathers of the stork.
14 She lays her eggs on the ground
and lets them warm in the sand,
15 unmindful that a foot may crush them,
that some wild animal may trample them.
16 She treats her young harshly, as if they were not hers;
she cares not that her labor was in vain,
17 for God did not endow her with wisdom
or give her a share of good sense.
18 Yet when she spreads her feathers to run,
she laughs at horse and rider.
19 “Do you give the horse its strength
or clothe its neck with a flowing mane?
20 Do you make it leap like a locust,
striking terror with its proud snorting?
21 It paws fiercely, rejoicing in its strength,
and charges into the fray.
22 It laughs at fear, afraid of nothing;
it does not shy away from the sword.
23 The quiver rattles against its side,
along with the flashing spear and lance.
24 In frenzied excitement it eats up the ground;
it cannot stand still when the trumpet sounds.
25 At the blast of the trumpet it snorts, ‘Aha!’
It catches the scent of battle from afar,
the shout of commanders and the battle cry.

26 “Does the hawk take flight by your wisdom
and spread its wings toward the south?
27 Does the eagle soar at your command
and build its nest on high?
28 It dwells on a cliff and stays there at night;
a rocky crag is its stronghold.
29 From there it looks for food;
its eyes detect it from afar.
30 Its young ones feast on blood,
and where the slain are, there it is.”

Chapter 40
The Lord said to Job:

“Will the one who contends with the Almighty correct him?
Let him who accuses God answer him!”

Then Job answered the Lord:

“I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
I put my hand over my mouth.
I spoke once, but I have no answer—
twice, but I will say no more.”

Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm:

“Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
“Would you discredit my justice?
Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
Do you have an arm like God’s,
and can your voice thunder like his?
10 Then adorn yourself with glory and splendor,
and clothe yourself in honor and majesty.
11 Unleash the fury of your wrath,
look at all who are proud and bring them low,
12 look at all who are proud and humble them,
crush the wicked where they stand.
13 Bury them all in the dust together;
shroud their faces in the grave.
14 Then I myself will admit to you
that your own right hand can save you.

15 “Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?

Chapter 41

 “Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.
34 It looks down on all that are haughty;
it is king over all that are proud.”

Chapter 42
Then Job replied to the Lord:

“I know that you can do all things;
no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.

“You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’
My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
Therefore I despise myself
and repent in dust and ashes.”

UPDATE Jan 10, 2017:  It’s been almost four years since the publication of this article and thank God, I have matured in Christ.  I have also learned how to deal with online criticism and mob mentality that comes with the territory.  Looking back at my responses in 2013, I am shocked to see how I acted, what I said and the manner in which I spoke.  The only defense I have is that I had never dealt with such direct criticism before and before anyone dusts that off as nothing, all I can say is try it for yourself before you spurn.  I was trying to do a good thing for the Lord but sadly, most people really don’t want the truth.  There will be a push back if you state things too plainly.  Yes, I wrote this article to be a ‘splash of cold water’ on the church’s face.  One might say that I should have expected the reaction and should have been ready for it.  I didn’t and I wasn’t.  I felt like a cat in the middle of a bunch of dogs; I had my sharp claw out and I was striking out.  It was ugly.  Since then, I have learned a lot and hopefully, how not to react in such a angry and defensive way.  It’s not easy to write the truth so boldly.  It’s not easy handling criticism.  I can only apologize to so many for my harsh responses.  For those who read today, Please try to overlook the tone of my responses and look for the content.  The content is still pretty much correct.  Thank you,  Susan Shannon

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  1. Rom 5:6 When we were utterly helpless, Christ came at just the right time and died for us sinners.
    Rom 5:7 Now, most people would not be willing to die for an upright person, though someone might perhaps be willing to die for a person who is especially good.
    Rom 5:8 But God showed His great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners.
    Rom 5:9 And since we have been made right in God’s sight by the blood of Christ, He will certainly save us from God’s condemnation.
    Rom 5:10 For since our friendship with God was restored by the death of His Son while we were still His enemies, we will certainly be saved through the life of His Son.
    Loving the sinner enough to die for them while they were still sinners…hating the so much that He had to die to make the sinner right…

    • You had me until the last statement. I think you had a typo that makes it hard to understand. I love the Romans 5:6 verse. Christ came at just the right time.. Paul had just been explaining WHY God made the Law to begin with. Specifically to condemn mankind. To make it sink in, and sink in GOOD, that we are hopeless at saving ourself through deeds. No amount of sacrifices, purification rituals, circumcisions, etc, would EVER be enough for the amount we sin. He was explaining that only once God knew that all the Jews knew how utterly impossible the law was to obey, he sent his Son. Mankind would be ready to receive his salvation due to their culturally ingrained, self knowledge of ineptness. Apostle Paul was an incredibly gifted intellectual and servant of God. No doubt about it.

      • Hello,
        I’m commenting on some posts from awhile ago. For the trinitarians out there please find me the term ‘trinity’ in the bible. I would also reference these people to a book titled, “when Jesus became God” by rubenstein. He clearly , clearly shows that the modern trinitarian movement was started in the time of constantine . Gregory later developed the doctrine of the trinity from the dispute that started between ananathius and arius. This was a very evil and bloody dispute.

        I find it odd that all the trinitarian bible verses are the same ones covered in depth by anthony buzzard in his book, ‘the doctrine of the trinity. Christianities self inflicted wound.’ Most people don’t understand these phrases within the context of a first century jewish mind. Ifor example, if you misunderstand the tradition that they used baskets to take coals back to their homes, and put it on
        Their heads to keep them warm there is a good chance you’ll misinterpret one particular passage.

        As far as the rapture argument goes I believe thessalonians tells us we are saved from the wrath to come. I have never come across the term rapture in the bible that I can recall though.

      • Oh I almost forgot. People are held accountable for sin, and at times for what they don’t know but should. When jesus rode into jerusalem on an ass he stated that they didn’t know the time of their visitation. Years later the jewish people were nearly destroyed. Roman legions came in and slaughtered them. Famine, death, horrible stuff. Makes you wonder what will happen to us. We are a major perpetuator of sin around the world. Gods people were carried away to babylon and many died do to their sin. There is a book out that shows our course in history is very similar to Rome’s before their people tore apart the colliseums to build survival shelters.
        Many churches are leading their people to destruction. The pastors are more CEO than spiritual leader. Lukewarm leaders produce apathetic congregations. Its all about filling pews and not offending people. Guess they didn’t read that part when Jesus told peter, ‘get behind me satan!’ Reproof and correction are part of love. They hurt but are necessary. Try not correcting your kids and letting them run a muck. Spiritually God does the same thing. This should not be so difficult to understand. This thread had shown me just how troubled the doctrinal teaching inside these churches really is. God is our heavenly father. How many of us were afraid of our earthly fathers when we stole from the store at age 5. Our dad corrected our wrong doing when we obviously knew better. God can’t do the same? The feel good impulse driven churches are truly harming their people. I weep for our future.
        Marc

  2. No references to ‘hate’ the person and/or sinner in the New testament in which we are now living .. Well, those of us who live in the commandment of Love given to us by the Son Himself (in fact, Jesus was tested with that by the crowd to which He replied by writing their own sins on the ground and telling them which of you can throw a stone?) That is why you see the “Love the sinner but not the sin” – stop confusing with attempts of posting scripture that has nothing to do with the new covenant in which the statement is derived from and intellectual design of self beliefs. So all those quotes are only meant to satisfy your opinion and being used to misrepresent what Jesus Christ has DIED FOR. You are a sinner, we are commanded to love you, but NOT your sin. Period. If what you post is true, then no one can Love you and no one will be able to obey God’s Word to Love as he Loves us. You make no sense, just a jumble of scripture that is intended to back up a prideful belief. I am in agreement with many things you post and love reading and sharing them, but this was scripturally incorrect and needs correction and may you have eyes to see and ears to hear to lean on HIS understanding and NOT your own. Peace † ( I know you will delete me but I pray you actually take note before you do and take this to prayer so you can see HIS WORD and not your own)

    • Blake. First. I didn’t conclude that Jesus said ‘hate the sinner’. Second, the only one adding their OPINION is you. If I am wrong, then present the biblical argument (Scripture), not yours. YOU are interpreting that one story to negate an entire BIBLE full of evidence to the contrary. Jesus never said those words! No one in the Bible even demonstrated those words! People invented them.

      He was simply telling us that we are all sinners. And that to punish someone so harshly for their sin was hypocritical. How you equate that to ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’, I can not fathom. It is a HUGE logical leap- and it contradicts all the verses (and I didn’t even list them all! No room!) to the contrary. We are to FEAR God. Not count on his mercy.

      You further statements would be better proven if YOU used the Scripture to back your clear OPINION. As I did.

      You want to derive an entire theology based on one possible interpretation of one of the events in Jesus’ life? Not wise. THAT is picking and choosing.

      You must understand the Bible as a WHOLE, not as bits. I have presented a completely logical and biblically sound expose of the subject. I have taken scriptures to prove my points. You want to throw out ALL that scripture- tons of it- for the sake of one, loose man-made set of words on one incident. Which way makes more sense? Which one looks like they are picking and choosing the verses they want? I’m afraid that all evidence points to you.

      Also, I have read and reread this article for logic based flaws. There aren’t any. Unless you can point them out.

      I don’t mind correction. but not ones based on opinion and emotion and outrage. Blake, you are doing the very thing you accuse me of. If you want to make a correction, offer God’s and Jesus’ words, not yours.

      • Although Jesus Loved the women and wanted others to have compassion, He did not validate the action she was being accused of as being okay. He distinctly told her, although he could accuse her justly he wouldn’t. But with the instructions to her to, “Go and sin no more. “

  3. I’d like to hear your thoughts on how this entry differs from Westboro Baptist’s own message. I bring it up solely because I have a feeling there will be some who will make the comparison.

    In the meantime, I’ll be pondering the points you raise here, that I may better respond.

    • It is different because I don’t conclude that WE should hate anyone- I just want you to know GOD does. I also want you to realize that the statement ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’ is nowhere in the Bible in any form. Most Christians would be shocked by that. But they need to know the truth. The truth is what it is. But we must deal with it- no matter how it upsets us. It is WE who fail to understand- not God. Read what God said to Job. He basically said, ‘Who are you to tell me I’m not fair??”

      Westboro Church teaches anger. And they teach that God gives them an excuse to express all the rage and anger in their hearts. It gives false authority to those evil people to go out and just make people miserable- this conflicts with Jesus’ teachings. I certainly don’t advocate that here.

      I conclude that God can hate individuals. Not from my own opinion- but by HIS! What can I say? I didn’t write those scriptures! Are we to be embarrassed of God’s Word or try to cover up that much scripture in order to make God more user friendly???? Or more to our liking?

      My effort here is to cause Christians to think deeply. God and Jesus simply can not be at odds. When Christians fail to tie both the New Testament to the Old Testament, then they can not possibly gain the wisdom that is needed for true spiritual warfare. Sometimes I want to shock people out of unbiblical beliefs. That statement, in particular, bothers me to no end. It doesn’t tell the truth about God. It makes him into this really sappy, weak God. We truly are meant to fear him. Jesus was sent to bring a human face to the reality of God. Even he will not forgive at Judgement Day. Christians are terrified to tell how Jesus will come with a sword and will shed so much blood that it rises to the horses flanks. Because they can’t handle that version of Jesus.

      We must FIRST fear God. Then his love will pour over us. ONLY this message will resonate with men because we are strong headed and willful. God knows us. We need to understand his AWESOME power first and fear it and him. THEN wisdom will come. Not my words- God’s and Jesus’ words. I am here to shake the tree. If we can’t tie them together, we will never give effective witness.

      • Tom, it’s NOT my conclusion that God can hate. It is HIS conclusion. People like you want to change him, his personality, his words, etc. He doesn’t need you to. If he didn’t want to use the word, ‘hate’, guess what? He wouldn’t have used it. It is not I who am wrong- it is YOU. Specifically because you , through your own wisdom, want to negate God’s own description of himself. I would ask you, “How do you dare do that? Who do you think you are??”

  4. SLR, are you saying that it is okay for you & I to ‘hate’ people? All of the references you listed concerning the rebuttal to ‘love the sinner/hate the sin’ show God focusing His anger on people…not other people. Do not forget the two commands that sum up the entire law, to love God with your heart/mind/soul/strength & love your neighbor as yourself. The new command Jesus gave to love one another as He loved us is another reference. While it is true God does harden peoples hearts, I don’t agree that doing this is the same as WANTING them to go to hell. When I discipline my child I do it out of necessity, to bring about a change in his behavior…not because I can’t wait to swing a belt & watch him cringe when it makes contact with his backside. God does not want anyone going to hell.

    • No, Shawn, please read the article again. I said two very true things: One: God does hate the person sometimes. He said so. 2) Neither God nor Jesus will forgive you if you do not repent and accept Christ. 3) God most certainly DOES want people to go to hell if they don’t accept his Son.

      Never did I say WE should hate the sinner. Never did I say we shouldn’t forgive those who ask it of us. People say, “God doesn’t want anyone to go to hell.” My question is, “Then why is he sending them there?” He clearly wants to or he wouldn’t make that his law. Now, perhaps the issue is language precision. God does want people to go to hell if they don’t follow his conditions for salvation. BUT, it is also clear that God doesn’t enjoy it. He takes no pleasure in it. Two different things. One is a statement of WILL. The other is an emotional reaction to his own will.

      • 2 Peter 3:9- this states God’s wishes. Of course he WISHES for us all to come to him in repentance. Repentance is saying you are sorry. You don’t get it automatically. God doesn’t enjoy our death. But his will most certainly is to cause it if we don’t repent. You need to be able to connect all the verses- not just the ones you want to believe.

      • Thanks for clarifying that we shouldn’t hate people. On the part about God ‘wanting’ people to go to hell, I think the problem I have is that in my mind ‘wanting’ implies ‘prefer’ & I don’t think God prefers anyone to go there. To say that He WILL send someone, which is 100% just & right, does not mean He would prefer them to.

      • Want/WILL is not to prefer. It is a choice he has willingly made. However, it is also very clear in the Bible that God LOVES us and does not ENJOY our death. He PREFERS for us to LIVE. Of that, I am sure.

  5. There are other scriptures. For instance, Jesus said, “For God so loved the world…” He did not say, “For God so loved those who obey Him…” Also, when Jesus was rebuked by the Pharisees and scribes for fraternizing with obvious sinners, Jesus replied that those who do not commit sin did not need a doctor, it was the sinners that needed Him. The true followers of Christ are called to walk in love. No one was ever won to Jesus by displays of self righteousness. People are brought into the kingdom of God by love and prayer. And Jesus teaches us to love our enemies, and pray for those who despitefully use, or abuse, us. What about this?

      • SLR, when you post something that you know will seem controversial, you should expect some strong reactions. I do not consider my reply to be “knee-jerk” at all.

      • I do not think that God’s word is controversial. Maybe it was the way you presented it. But you must admit, it received quite a reaction…

      • It was meant to. Too man Christians have relied on easy, man made paraphrases that have BECOME their religion. I prefer God’s EXACT words. Paraphrasing always ends up corrupting and twisting God’s living Word. I WANTED to shake people up. For many reasons. But the biggest one was to get people to READ the actual Word of God- not rely on what they were taught by parents, church or other friends.

  6. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

  7. I appreciate your post today. The times ahead will separate those who are living in true faith/fear of the Lord (Proverbs 1:9) from those who are only giving lip service and an outward show. There will be a distinction between the wheat and the tares. . . . the five wise virgins and the five unwise. . .Peace and blessings!

  8. But, when one understands and accepts the Bible as a whole, and is lectured by people such as yourself to take it in its entirety and literally, then one must reject you. Because the Bible specifically states that women are not to teach, and are to be silent in church and about church matters, deferring to men (1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:34). Not ‘men that she agrees with’. Men. Even possibly, men that are wrong. That is what the Bible says. You are not only pretend-teaching, you are attempting to teach about Biblical scriptures, which you are not allowed to do. The Bible specifically says so.

    It also clearly says in the Bible that women are to be silent, and to cover their hair when they pray. Do you cover your hair when you pray?

    To top it off, the Bible absolutely states clearly that women should not be contentious, argumentative, quarrelsome. That describes your nature in a nutshell. You are an example of at least six of the seven things God claims to despise most: Proverbs 6:16. By your own words, you have given God a reason to hate you.

    It seems pretty obvious that you wrote this because your pride was hurt over being called to task for your excessive pride and vanity yesterday. It is apparent that you were attempting psychologically to get a little revenge by slinking off and then writing a post about how God and Jesus certainly HATE people. It’s a psychological way of justifying your own ego-slights. What is apparent is any real remorse for your sins of arrogance, lying, and stirring up trouble.

    Did it ever, ever occur to you that maybe God and Jesus are using other people, speaking through them, in order to teach YOU a lesson, as it appears your heart is so hardened, and you seem to think you are above everyone else? If you believe that God can hate people, then you must know that God can use other people to get through to wicked people hiding under false moral masks?

    Proverbs 16:18

    If you cannot trust that your brethren are sent by God to warn you of your wicked ways, who will you believe?

    • If your comment weren’t so completely laughable, I would have trashed it. But as it is, I will print it. You have NO understanding of either Timothy or Paul- or of the Bible whatsoever. I will not even deign to give you a response other than to leave your remark for your own embarrassment!

      • SLR, please point out in scripture where, as you contend, women are specifically authorized to teach in the church. I am not saying that women are NOT permitted to do so. But Paul did seem to make it very clear that women were not to be permitted to have any authority over men in the operation of the church. If there is a commandment to the contrary, I would love to know where it is. Thanks…

      • Much of Paul’s work absolutely must be understood in the context of historical events at the time. I believe I have already touched on that topic. But Jesus equated women to men. It wreaked havoc in society. Paul’s entire work points to personal sacrifice if what you want causes anyone else to stumble in their faith. This is why he called on slaves to obey masters and women to learn in silence. Many fail to understand that for women to attend church with the men at all was a massive freedom women had never had before. Ditto the slaves. Paul adovcated personal sacrifices from not eating pagan meat to Greek gentile women covering their heads. No women were educated at the time and none of them were familiar with the Old Testament. Their constant questions in church were causing irritation and outrage. Personal sacrifice. If women were not to be pastors or have a place in church, then how can Jesus’ word equated men to women make sense? Also, Paul write the following which shows that women will indeed prophecy in the end days. A prophet was considered even higher than any Sadducee or pharisee at the time. They were taught by the prophets.

        Acts 2:
        17“ ‘In the last days, God says,
        I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
        Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
        your young men will see visions,
        your old men will dream dreams.
        18Even on my servants, both men and women,
        I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
        and they will prophesy.

      • The letter to Timothy clearly reveals the author’s attitude towards women. There is simply no arguing that. Now, if you are going to argue Paul’s theology on leadership roles of women, then that is one thing. But the author Timothy clearly condemned women in leadership roles.

      • Seth. You are ignorant. I meant that literally. Christ is the VERY FIRST influencial person in history who made men and women equal, master and slave equal and Jew and Gentile equal. He was RADICAL. His statement that we are all EQUAL under God was one of the most upsetting things for the Pharisees and Rome. It upset the entire order of society. The early churches had to deal with this new reality. For the first time in HISTORY, women sat together with men in synagog (or, as they came to be called, ‘church’). The women literally had never been schooled. They couldn’t read. They had never studied the Old Testament LAW, given by Moses. All this was taught only to boys at the time. And for the first time in human history, slave and master sat side by side as equals in church. And for the first time in man’s history, Jew and Gentile were sitting side by side in church. You really have no idea what you are talking about, Seth. People use Paul’s letters to supposedly say Christianity itself is sexist, racist, etc. Pure ignorance. The early churches, OF COURSE, began with huge turmoil over these new arrangements. Jewish men and women were OUTRAGED that Gentile Greek women didn’t cover their heads as Jewish women had been taught. Gentiles ate all kinds of meat while Jews felt they could only eat kosher. Slaves wanted to leave their masters and obtain their freedom. Everyone wanted to quit their old jobs and stations to become missionaries for Christ. Everyone was arguing. Paul wrote his letters (which, if you actually wanted to learn, you would easily see), to try to make peace in the early churches. To bring their attention to their TRUE mission: spreading the gospel of Christ. The new church as the most RADICAL organization every seen on this earth. Every western country today, including America, owes the concept of ‘equality under God’ to Jesus Christ. We are not equal in any other way. The ancient knew this and only the strongest prevailed. This is why the romans began to fear the Christian church. It made everyone equal to Ceasar. Imagine that. Paul told people that they should sacrifice ANYTHING for peace. If people are shocked that you eat beef, then stop eating beef. If people can’t get over the fact that you don’t wear a scarf, then wear a scarf. Also, he recommended that women remain silent during these new church sessions because they kept interrupting due to their literal ignorance of Mosaic law. It was hard enough to teach the schooled men about how Christ came in fulfillment of the Mosaic Law and what this meant for their past lives. All kinds of things had changed for these people because they no longer needed to make ritual sacrifices, get circumcised, etc. Did I mention yet just how RADICAL Christ’s statements were? So, Paul recommended that women wait until they were home to ask their husbands what everything meant. It was too much too fast. NOT because they were inherently lower. If that were so, then they would be living in contradiction to Christ’s words of equality. And as the bible never contradicts itself, one must throw that notion out the window. This is just a basic explanation. IF you really want to understand, then the Holy Spirit would make all this obvious to you. But as it is, I don’t think you really care. But I thought I would answer this question for others who might be curious.

  9. We are First “Spirit” then “Flesh”….God Hates the Spirit of SIN…Not the Creation. Jesus Died on the Cross in OUR Place to Cover our Sins with the Blood of Christ who Washes away the sin. NO ONE is Good, NO NOT ONE!! We are ALL Sinners. OUR HOPE and Forgiveness of Sin lies ONLY in CHRIST who Covers and washes our sin away. We were ALL born INTO sin. The god of this WORLD is Satan. Believers of Christ, the Body of Christ are Foreigners in this world. This is NOT our HOME. GOD LOVES the sinner, but HATES the SIN. HE cannot LOOK upon Sin…BUT that is WHY CHRIST took all sin Upon Himself. CHRIST CHANGED EVERYTHING. WE NO LONGER have to go through the Priest….to receive forgiveness. We Go Through Christ. With Much Love ❤

    • Tina. no, he hated the sinner too. no matter how much you want to deny that. God is who he is. YOU need to accept him. He’s not asking for you to remake him. In fact, to do so is sinful. He is a fearsome God. Accept it. To do otherwise is to call him a liar.

  10. 2 Peter 3:9
    New International Version
    The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting ANYONE to perish, but EVERYONE to come to repentance.

  11. Hi, Susan. These are the frightening verses in the Bible that no one wants to talk about, and are RARELY if ever mentioned in churches. People want to believe that Jesus, or the God of the New Testament, is a separate Person that the one of the Old. He is a tamer God, a God who took anger management classes and calmed down a bit–even though it says that Jesus is the EXACT representation of God’s being in Hebrews, and that God never changes and is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The “Old Testament God” was FULL of grace and love and mercy, just as much as Jesus. And the “New Testament God” is just as much a God of righteous and holy wrath as He was so long ago. These verses are still applicable. So thank you for sharing these! God is multi-faceted, infinitely deep, and His character is so eternally full of mercy and judgment, grace and wrath, love and anger, holiness and humility, that our minds can never begin to comprehend Him. And that’s how it should be! Not much good in worshipping a god that can be contained in your mind.

    However. I would like to say that I would rather err on the side of forgiving too much, or being “too loving,” While I understand that all human souls are completely in the hands of the Lord, and will be judged according to His holy judgment and wisdom. I also firmly believe that our Christian love must be one that leads people to TRUTH, to God’s Word, yes, even to the fear of hell if that is what it takes to wake them up. But, knowing how susceptible all humans are, and especially me, to pride, I would rather err on the side of showing too much mercy than falling into pride or self-righteousness, and trust that the Lord will see that and take that person where he/she needs to be, and fix the damage that my humanity has wrought.

    Also, how do you forgive someone and turn them over to God’s revenge (if they remain stubborn and willful and unwilling to ask forgiveness) without NOT forgiving them? In other words, how do you entrust that God will wreak righteous revenge on them without doing so in anger, thus falling into judgment yourself?

  12. i agree with everything except one thing. i think we are to always forgive regardless if they have asked for it or not, and regardless if they deserve it or not. forgiving someone is not about the tresspasser at all. forgiveness is for yourself. so you can have peace, and joy in your salvation. the lord tells us forgive one another so we can be forgiven. and it is also mentioned forgiveness in the Lords prayer when he tells us how to pray.:) good read though.

    • Well, I think we are saying the same thing in two different ways. I know that we must release it and not be bitter or yearn for revenge. that is most certainly the right thing to do. I just can’t wrap my mind around what ‘forgive’ means if they didn’t ask. That seems to be another matter.

  13. I continually enjoy the way you boldly state the Word of God. He is the Most High, and shall not be mocked. He is the Creator, and shall not be questioned. His Word is true, and needs not be elaborated upon. I’m personally sick and tired of people pretending it’s “wrong” to fear God. Are we not the same as the idiotic Israelites that mocked him, and were judged (wiped off the map even)? I would rather take God at his word, and fear His majesty and power, then deny His grace… It’s not our place to pick and choose which scriptures we enjoy. It’s our place to submit and stop whining. Who cares if you have comfortable pews or carpet. These churches that preach “convenient Christianity” and raise millions for themselves while deserting evangelists and missionaries and the true cause of Christ disgust me. Why should we be so comfortable? Our Messiah was homeless for his entire ministry.

    • RYON! Oh, I would like to invite you to dinner! lol! A true man after God’s own heart. That is why churches are dwindling in America & in the modern world. They teach a feminine version of God. I love how he is! The maker of the pot can make us for common purposes, for special purposes and he can throw away a pot in a moment because it is flawed! God’s justice isn’t human justice. We can not judge God. How many times does he say that in the Bible? Even though he was pleased with Job, he gave him one tongue lashing because he had judged God. (a BEAUTIFUL tongue lashing, though!) Since when do men or women want a leader who is limp-wristed, weak, ineffectual, always forgiving, always patient, always tolerant, always.. BLECH! I love my God in everything he does. He is INTERESTING just as he is. IF we taught people the TRUE nature of God, I know, to the bottom of my heart, they would turn around and listen.

      • exactly! He is who He is. The Great I AM. These “Christians” continually re-invent God into a weak, simple, ‘bow your head and make a wish’ genie. That’s why no one pays attention, you are SO right. The scriptures I enjoy most are the ones that display God’s power, and that leave me completely awe-struck to still be allowed to breathe. He crushes offenders constantly throughout the Old Testament and doesn’t have to give us an explanation why. So many people are ignorant to the fact that Jesus’ ministry was simply fulfilling the prophecy of the Old Testament. He simply does what He has always done… He just did it as a human, but yet the Israelites of that day (and us today) still doubt Him. He offers us salvation only through repentance… NOT church membership (although I LOVE the Church), works (although important to further His Kingdom), or ‘goodness’ (which should come BECAUSE of Christ’s nature in us).

  14. I would not dispute any piece of your arrangement of Scripture quotes, nor any of your expositions of those quotes. I would only add a couple of Scriptures and a bit of my own exposition. “God demonstrates His Own love for us in this : while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” All your points are well-made, but they belong in a context that includes this one too: the whole motive behind salvation was a love of sinners by a God who hates sin. Nor did he wait for an “I’m sorry” before he forgave: “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do”—just as none of us fully understands the impact of our sin upon the heart of God. I would also caution any human being making this critique of the “milktoast Church”: there is a difference between God’s anger at sinners in the Word, and man’s anger expressed in preaching of the Word. I already believe in, and accept, the reality of God’s anger: but preachers (and bloggers) are subject to “man’s anger” that “does not bring about the righteous life God desires” (James). To me, a passerby, this article sounds a little angry with the anger of man.

    • No, not true. He most certainly is waiting for an apology before forgiveness. Is not repentance and apology? Do we not say, “Lord, please FORGIVE me???” You are, literally, speaking a lie. If people don’t repent, Jesus himself will send them to hell- or, at the very minimum, allow their life to be snuffed out. He, himself, said, “13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”- a FEW! So, obviously repentance is a requirement.

      If telling the TRUTH about the Bible ‘sounds angry’, what can I say? I guess that is why Jesus, who spoke as lovingly as possible (when he called the Pharisees and Sadducee ‘hypocrite!’, ‘you den of vipers!’, ‘false teachers!’ ‘white washed sepulchers of death- full of dead men’s bones!’ and then thrashed their friends at the Temple market) was condemned as a ‘liar’, ‘demonically possessed’, ‘trouble maker’, ‘evil’, ‘blasphemer’! right? Because HE said it wrong! HIS words were ‘too full of anger’?

      What you ‘hear’ from me is not anger- it is urgency and passion. You attack my PERSON, but can not and do not contradict the article. Why? because you can’t. God did say those things. It is our job to make sense of them.

      I find it interesting that you call yourself a pastor, but do not know your Bible. There is no ‘right’ way to deliver the word. The sower has nothing to do with the germination of the seed- it is 100% about the QUALITY of the soil it hits. Throw it hard, throw it soft. Doesn’t matter.

      Nor can the entire word be given in one article. Your criticism that I didn’t include the ENTIRE aspect of God in one article is.. ridiculous- no Christian writer could do it.

      You simply want God to be packaged in a way you find comfortable. One that will not make others hate YOU! One that won’t make people leave their pews!

      This article was to show that God is awesome in his power and might. His personality can hate. Not my words. His. He doesn’t need to be apologized for. Or sugar coated. HE said those words. Why do you, a supposed pastor, want to say he didn’t?

      God is our maker and we are his little, insignificant pots. He has claimed his RIGHT to make us for special purposes, common purposes or to throw us away as unworthy. That is what makes him God. Only when you understand his full power in the matter can you APPRECIATE him when he has such patience, such forbearance, such love and attention for each of us. Only when you can accept his RIGHT to bless, hate or take away can we feel the incredible wonder of this same God when he turns from his great anger and says, “come, let us reason together…”

      A GOD of such potential fierceness wants to REASON together with one of his little pots! Now THAT is incredible. The great irony of the modern milquetoast church is that when they portray God as some nice, grey haired fellow, they truly MISS OUT on what his true love really FEELS LIKE.

      You need to have more faith, Siloampastor. If God spoke it- it is GOOD. He doesn’t need you or anyone to cover him up. He is proud of who he is. If God wrote it, he knew it was exactly what we needed. The church today is shrinking and this is why. Who wants a leader who is soft? Weak? Since when do men respect a boss like that? That feminizing of God is a big turn off. I LOVE the real God of the Bible. He is, literally,… awesome….

      • SLR ~
        Siloampastor4huck is “literally, speaking a lie”? You mean he can’t possibly have (mistakenly?) arrived at a different interpretation from yours? There can be no honest disagreement? He is “literally lying”, as in deliberately twisting truth in order to maliciously present a falsehood in order to deceive others?

        ~ D-FensDogg
        ‘Loyal American Underground’

      • as a pastor? come on, Stephen. If he is a pastor, he knows the Bible and thus, yes, he is lying about the Bible. IF he is not a pastor, then he is lying in his name. Many do. Your point? Ah. I know your point. Your point is to personally criticize my personality, my motive, etc. Why should I answer you? It seems to me that if my article was FALSE- as in, not supported biblically, rather than attack me PERSONALLY, you and people like you would use the BIBLE- (you know, that thing containing GOD’S WORD?), to show me the error of my ways, my thinking and my conclusion. But you don’t- you just get personal. That would make you a loser, wouldn’t it? I don’t like that, Stephen. Your motive is just anger and frustration- as is mine right now. Only, I don’t try to HIDE it. Not like you and your ilk do. Let’s evaluate THAT. I wrote and honest essay. It’s biblically sound. There is no other way to be more sound than to be in concurrence with God’s owns words. Don’t like his words? Take it up with him, BUDDY!. Personally, I am sick to death with people like you. How’s that for personal? Now, beat it off my page. You can go to Pastor Mr. Love & Cuddles and the two of you can sit around making up more stuff about God and Jesus and the Bible and teach it to others. Explain it later to God, alright?

      • While, certainly God would have no need to, we are not God… so, I was wondering what you do to alleviate stress, frustration and anger?

        I know a lot of people exercise, work out, etc. That doesn’t work for me. Other people I know tell me that they pray to have their anger removed. It seems to work for them. Taking a long walk while listening to music, or talking a long bath helps me somewhat. Any tips on how you let off steam?

      • Hey, Susan, I do not believe God EVER sends a person to hell. He offers salvation as a free gift to anyone willing to accept it. It does require repentance to partake of this awesome free gift. It is each person that determines their final destination. In other words, God does not SEND anyone to hell…they send themselves there by rejecting His free offer of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ, and what He did on the cross. Still, the Bible makes it clear that the faith required for salvation is also a gift from God. When a person cannot believe in Christ’s atonement, is it because God has not given them the faith? This has been an argument throughout the history of the church. Some say that the “elect” has been chosen by God since before the foundation of the world and there is no such thing as “free will.” While others believe that everyone is free to make the choice between salvation and damnation. There seems to be evidence for both views in Scripture. What do you think and why?

      • Hon, then you are making up your own religion. Take it up with God. he spoke the words. Now, I believe OUR discussion is done. You know my opinion, God’s own words and your.. opinion. No more discussion is needed.

  15. Short Little Rebel,
    Bravo on a well written and truthful entry about God’s stand on sin. Most people do not want to read or see the truth, hence the watered down feel good sermons most preachers give today. Yes, God is a loving and patient God but only to a point. If someone dies in their sins without repenting and accepting Yeshua as their Master, game over. The bible is correct in that we are to forgive those who wrong us, even 7 times 70 times. However, we are also told by Paul not to associate with those types of people as well.

    Bye the way , Jesus is NOT God, he is his only begotten Son-The Son of God. The trinity is not a biblical doctrine.

    Another misinterpretation a poster made was concerning women and the Bible. Paul mentions many women who helped spread the Good News of the Kingdom, it’s just that women were not to be Rabbi, or Pastors, or Priests. Neither are men who have been divorced and remarried, or who are drunkards or of low moral character.

    Once again, I commend you for your courage to speak the truth. The road to perdition is easy and broad while that to salvation is narrow and hard.

    • John, I agree with you concerning the Trinity. There is just too much evidence against it. They are all different and they are all not the same in stature. The Holy spirit is not Jesus- he is called a Counselor or a Comforter. Jesus is not God. That much is clear. Just because Jesus said things like, ‘when you see me you see God’ & such- that is easily understood in the same context as ‘my husband & I are one.’ They of one accord. In perfect harmony & agreement. But it is CLEAR that God is more than Jesus. Jesus is his Son. Catholics tend to convulse over this statement. I had one woman practically hiss at me and back away when I said this once on FB. Ditto for The Rapture and The Tribulation. Not biblical. Mere doctrine. People really and truly don’t and won’t read their Bible. I didn’t in the past. When I began, I was utterly glued! What a fascinating and perfect God we serve. And what a marvelous story of redemption and love. If you don’t read it for yourself, you will fail to truly understand the gift we are being given. As for women, I’m not sure where you get the part about women not being pastors. Seems to me that God makes it clear that women will prophesy in the end days. But that is neither here nor there. Not a big topic for me. I personally haven’t met a woman pastor I wanted to listen to and I have NO desire to BE a pastor! All I know is what my calling is. If God ordained it, I will do it.

      • Wait, hold on. When you say that Jesus is not God, are you saying that He is not the FATHER? Because although He is a separate Person from the Father, He is still God. It says in John that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God–and the Word became flesh. I understand that each Person of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) have their own roles, and are separate Persons, while still all being one God. But I just want to clear this up.

        And I’m not trying to challenge you, I am genuinely asking: where is the evidence AGAINST the Trinity? Yes, the word is never mentioned in the Bible, but there is still plenty of evidence to suggest that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are God…

      • Ariana- the better question is: where is the evidence for it? The word, ‘trinity’ is literally not in the Bible. Mankind has 100% made it up. The Catholic church as adopted it as doctrine- as have many churches. There is absolutely no evidence, for example, that the Holy Spirit is God or Jesus in the Bible. Again, a person made that up. Jesus very clearly said that the disciples were to wait for the Counselor he would send to them after he left. He said that he worked through the Holy Spirit. Did he work through himself? Was he sending himself? The Bible does contain verses that say things like when John said that Jesus “is God”. But this is easily understood to mean that Jesus is DIVINE, like God. And fully AUTHORIZED by God. The entire book of John stresses that Jesus was not mere man, but he was DIVINE! Many people of his day were trying to say that Jesus was only a human. John’s book and the miracles in them are meant to destroy that concept. Thus, the stress on the opening line “IS God”.

        Almost 100% of the time, Jesus defined himself as clearly separate from God. He calls God, his father. (is he calling himself father?) He says that the Father knows more than him (like when he is returning)- does that mean he knows more than himself? he says that God has given him the authority to raise up the dead (does he authorize himself?). Jesus tells us that the reason God did this was so that the Son will be honored as the Father is (is he wanting to authorize himself as he is?)… etc. The evidence is overwhelming! Jesus literally is speaking jibberish if he and God are the same person, literally! Jesus didn’t speak jibberish. People need to read the Bible. Why wouldn’t you take Jesus at his own words? The rare times that Jesus said things like, “when you see me, you see the Father” can easily be taken the same way hesaid that when a man and a woman come together in marriage, they become ONE. He obviously didn’t mean they literally become the same person, did he? I always doubt made up phrases and words from MEN. “The Trinity”, “The Rapture”, “The Tribulation” are all church doctrine- most of which is derived from intellectuals in the Catholic Church. Like St. Augustine. God’s own word can not be perverted. However, man’s word always is perverted- no matter how well intended. I am a strict adherent to the Bible, not church doctrine.

      • John 20:28 – And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
        Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
        John 8:58 – Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
        Hebrews 1:8,9 – But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
        Titus 2:13 – looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
        So many people say and profess things that they have not studied in depth or consulted men or women of God on. when i see/hear someone say,”Jesus was not God” or “there is no trinity in the Bible”, it just shows their ignorance and not understanding Scripture.
        You may be just simply speaking your opinion/viewpoint,as i am ….BUT, the Bible says so much more than you give it credit for!
        Have you personally talked to some one who can explain and give an exposition of the Scriptures? someone who can explain the original languages/words to you and what they mean? otherwise, one is only expressing THEIR opinion.Truth is what we are after.
        to say Jesus is not God i would ask you ,”where in the Bible does Jesus say he is NOT God?”
        You must Prove to your readers/audience that what you write is what the Bible says.
        I pray that Jesus would open your understanding and you would come to embrace Him not only as The Son Of God,but – John 1:1 – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word(Jesus) was with God, and the Word was God… 1:14 – And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
        Keep studying the Scriptures !

      • Mr. Marion, not so. I have studied it. And I believe that you are reading into those words what was not meant. He is DIVINE- but he is not God. Jesus spoke things like, “The Father has given me…” ” The Father has told me” etc. so many times that if what you say are true, then God is speaking to God. Where is the sense of that? I read those passages in a way that leaves all verses in perfect harmony. Christ is God’s son- as he professed to be. The statements asserting that they are ONE are speaking toward their perfect harmony with one another. Like Jesus said that when a man and a woman marry, they become ONE. Well, we are NOT literally one person are we? He was speaking to the melding of mind, life, mission, and thoughts. I am not denying those verses- they stand. But in your interpretation, all his other words would make God look schizophrenic.

      • Susan, Take a look at Paul’s writings concerning Congregational Leaders as discussed in
        1 Timothy 3: 1-13. Paul refers to aspiring church leaders as he not he or she. He must be above reproach; he must not drink excessively;etc. In 1 Timothy 2: 9-15, Paul states “but I do not permit a woman to teach a man or exercise authority over him, she is to remain at peace. For Adam was formed first then Havah (Eve).

        Also take a look at what Paul wrote in Titus 1: 6-9. Again Paul refers to leaders as he not he or she. A leader must be blameless, husband to one wife (polygamy was practiced by some in Israel at that time), with believing children who do not have a reputation for being wild or rebellious. He must be blameless-he must not be self willed… I think you get the picture of what Paul is saying.

        Finally, the Levites were the old people who were to serve as priests in the temple, specifically male Levites. I hate to cite Wikipedia but here is a link that shows it better because it would take me too long to write up. But no women ever served as priests at that time.

        Please do not think that I am trying to be a chauvenist when it comes to women serving in the church, since Paul himself mentions several women who helped out. Even Mary Magdalen followed around with the apostles and assisted but was not an apostle herself. Women certainly have a place in the church, it is just not as being priests, IMO, since it is not biblical.

      • While those might be true statements, I don’t believe they suggest the intent you imply. At the time, women were viewed almost as property. One could make an extension of the same article to say no black people should serve as priests as none of the priests at the time were black. In the prophecies, God is very clear, and in fact places emphasis on, that both men AND WOMEN would serve as God’s prophets in the end time. And Jesus fully equated women to men when he called us his brothers and sisters- and stated that whoever follows the commands of his father were his family. This is why the new church had so many problems at the very beginning. Slave was equated with master and woman with man and Jew with Gentile. People didn’t know what to do with this new equality and it began to rip the new churches apart- hence, Paul and Timothy’s wise council.

      • No, Jesus is not Adonai Elohim (GOD), he is Yeshua the Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah) The Son of God. Judaism is a Monotheistic religion that clearly states in the Torah (Fiirst 5 books of the Old Testament) that God is ONE, and one alone. He is indivisible, and the only one to be worshipped. Yeshua is God’s only begotten Son by a human woman, Miriam (Mary). Jesus was a human being, the only perfect man who never sinned. He was sacrificed for all of mankind’s sins, died, suffered in hell and was resurrected as a eternal being who went up to heaven to sit at the Father right hand until it is His time to come back to smite the devil.

        Jesus never once equated himself as equal with God or made himself to be God. “If you see me you see the Father”, (loose paraphrase) refers to Jesus having the same characteristics as the Father, but not being the Father. yes, Jesus is referred to as God and my Lord. However, all historical kings; English, French, etc. have been referred to as my lord.

        “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God” This simply means that God’s Word spoke Jesus into existance. Just as God knew about everyone who now lives or who was ever born (by thinking of us ), He did the same with Jesus. And since jesus was the first thought God had, all things came to be through him (Jesus).

        I suggest that people who are really interested in this subject pick up a copy of the book, “The amazing Aims and Claims of Jesus” by Anthony Buzzard, Biblical Scholar. It is a well researched book that explains all of this in tremendous detail, why Jesus is not God.

        Blessings to all who read these posts and may the Holy Spirit bring wisdom and knowledge to those who do not understand.

      • wow…I am having a really hard time processing the things you state in this one post. Okay, just as you make the statement that when a man & woman come together in marriage & become ‘one flesh’ they are still composed of two separate beings, with different functions. I view God in the same manner,the Father, Son & Holy Spirit are 3 distinct, separate beings but collectively, referred to as God. If you don’t think the rapture or the tribulation are biblical, what is the bulk of Revelation talking about?

      • Shawn- I’m only saying that people have created an awful lot of paraphrases for the Bible: The Trinity, The Rapture, The Tribulation. Elements of these things are throughout the Bible. But I prefer to use the exact wording of the Bible. I shy away from man made paraphrases. ESPECIALLY when people start using them ‘religiously’ or even with superstition. If someone dares to say that The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible, many people (especially Catholics) will hiss, make the sign of the cross and slowly back away! Such nonsense! God gave us this amazing book called the Bible. It is MEANT to discuss. There should BE no superstition. If anything, these paraphrases are twisting the words in the Bible. I’m not saying that there will BE no tribulation- I’m saying that it doesn’t appear to be an EVENT of some kind. The bible tells us that there will be great tribulations and persecutions for Christians in the end times. But it’s not like it has a definitive start and end date! Let’s put it this way, I just like the EXACT wording of the Bible over man made phrases which attempt to interpret it for me. God’s words will never pass away and they will never be false. Man’s word, however, will always be misused, misunderstood and ultimately, are a very poor substitute for God’s.

      • I am not Catholic but I acknowledge the trinity. Rather than argue semantics, I’m wondering if you have ever read and article by Dr. Jonathan Sarfati on the matter. His explanation is sound, only references Bible verses and the words therein. He also explains many of your objections (this stretches even into the comments section). I cannot take credit for his work and thus defer to him. http://creation.com/trinity-analogies-countering-critics
        God Bless

      • my ultimate question is this , “why most believers accept the Pauline gospel”?
        clearly I dislike when other identify me as a Christian. again this Paul idea he was in Antioch.

      • eryk, we believe the books written by Paul because they are in the bible. If we can’t believe that God had a hand in the formation in the bible, then the entire bible is useless. The bible’s history shows much debate among believers as to which books to include, etc. The decision was made. It was made by God. Just as every book, letter, song and poem was written by God to be part of the bible. If one is false, then God is false. And so why believe ANY of it? God either does or does not exist. And if he is God, then he certainly can create a book for humanity for all time. You can’t uphold part of the bible and deny the rest. If you do, you are saying that satanic forces ‘beat’ God and managed to create an evil, false book that is used by billions of people worldwide. Either that or you are saying that the God of all creation is capricious and intentionally allowed satanic forces to create a false book to trick all of humanity. Either way, you either get a weak God (which belies the name, ‘God’) or a cruel God (which also belies the word, ‘God’).

  16. Thanks so much for this! I always hear that phrase in church but now I understand God a little better. Life changer!!!:)

  17. John 1:1, 14, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”
    John 20:28-29, “Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”
    Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son He says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.'”

  18. This is a tough pill to swallow because in my own life, I have not shown God the reverence He deserves. I do fear Him, but I am more often angry or depressed over my life situation than I am compelled to seek Him in Scripture. I know the Gospel very well, but it fails to penetrate my heart like it ought. Please pray for me. I will never reject the Savior in whom I believe, yet I often try to live for myself. I do not want to die.

    • Cillendor, I have said a prayer for you. I know exactly how you feel. I had always loved Jesus and God, but didn’t realize that I had not had the experience of receiving the Holy Spirit. I will leave you with my story below. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. If you fear God, then you are on the right road. So many don’t. They will not see his face. But you must remember that as fearful God can be, it is not his WISH to destroy us. Quite the opposite, my friend. He WANTS us to live. You and me both. Do you go to church? If not, I really must suggest it. Until you find your own church, feel free to visit my online live streaming church this Sunday. It starts at 11am. I will be loading it here on my site on Sunday morning. The wonderful music will lift your spirits. Our Pastor Brandon is so interesting, dynamic and smart. I think you will enjoy his sense of humor and perspective. God meant us to RECEIVE life through Jesus Christ, his son. We are meant to LIVE, not die. Have faith. You are on the right road. Go to church and have the message reinforced in your heart. Godly friendships and music are just the trick for a heavy heart! God BLESS you, my friend. SMILE and know that this life is brief and full of sorrows. But if we find Jesus, we will live in joy, passion, fascination and love for trillions and trillions of years!

      • Thank you for your offer, but I do have a church home already. 🙂

        I did want to say though, I sent this article to a couple of Christian friends, and they did not agree with your views. To summarize what they said, God does have the jurisdiction to hate sinners because He is holy, but we are not. Though we are saved and blameless before God, our bodies are still bodies of flesh, so if God loves us enough to forgive us in spite of our perpetuated sin (we who already know Him and ought to never sin again), we shouldn’t be unforgiving to others no matter what. After all, there are people who only are saved after decades of prayer and pursuit by their loved ones; but if the Christians had simply decided they were swine, the people would have never been persuaded. Who knows the mind, timing, and patience of God? Even Paul vehemently rejected the gospel until his conversion, but imagine if Ananias had already made up his mind to cast Paul out.

        Anyway, my comments from the other day still stand because I myself am weak, but if anything my own failures cause me to want to pursue other sinners more. If I can be saved, so can anyone.

      • Well, I would agree. We are called to love each other. We are called to forgive one another. If my article said to HATE the sinner, then your friends would have a point. But I didn’t. I said that GOD did. My point is to instill the proper understanding of GOD. To fear him. and hence, to begin walking the path to wisdom. “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.” I am not surprised that so many Christians don’t want to hear my point. They utter fail to realize that I NEVER said to hate anyone. The pill is big enough for them to just see that God has and does sometimes hate the sinner. THAT was my only point. Read the article again and you will discover that I am speaking the truth!

  19. Small Little Rebel,
    You are very well spoken. You and I have a slightly different interpretation on some scriptures, You stated, “While we are not to become bitter or bogged down with anger and a desire for revenge, there is nothing in the Bible that would indicate that we should forgive when it hasn’t been asked for. This is another falsehood so prevalent in modern Christian thought. We are to release the hurt to Jesus and trust that he will take revenge for us! Revenge! Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Jesus plans on taking revenge on those who have harmed us and who refuse to ask forgiveness for their actions….

    Revenge is not the word that comes to mind for me. “justice” absolutely.. My understanding is that God is love and in him is no darkness at all, as it says in the epistle of John. Yet, God is a just God, and if things were sugar plums and lolly pops than God wouldn’t have required the legal shedding of blood for our sins which was accomplished by Christ Jesus our Lord.. People forget that God is just, and will give them that which their own actions dictate many times. Look at Eli’s sons in the book of Samuel and what happened to their whole line throughout the bible. I often think when people fear God they have the wrong idea. If your sinning and disrespecting God you should fear him. If your a christian I look at him as my father.. If I’m doing something i know I shouldn’t be doing I know God isn’t pleased with me and he corrects those he loves. He will correct us like we correct our own children (best example I have). I have trust and love for God. I am disappointed when I don’t meet biblical standards. I’m ashamed when i sin, and I ask for forgiveness. If i don’t get the wake up call God may very well correct me. This may very well be similar in the manner in which the devil was allowed to attack Job. Yet, at least according to my King James, JOB had fear in the third chapter of that book.. He feared his children may have sinned. He was constantly praying. He was the most righteous man of his time. The book shows what Job was really missing. A mediator between himself and God. The accuser was there, but Job stated (oh I really need to go look this verse up forgive me for summerizing, watching kids) “If only I had a mediator” or I think the king james called it something else. Jesus Christ is the red thread of the old testament as E.W. Bulllinger put it. He is the story. In the book of Job he is the mediator that Job wanted. We have that now..

    When people get what they rightfully deserve i don’t believe it is revenge. It is justice… Done by a just God. God is just when he is angry with sin and those who do it without regard for their creator, and especially for those who do so with the intent to harm. All sin is abhorrent to God but all but one that Christ talks about in the gospels can be forgiven if someone has the humility and heart to seek God with all their heart soul mind and strength. King David murdered, had an affair, and he paid the price for it (especially when you consider Absolem, sorry for the spelling). daughter needs me right now gotta go. God bless you,

    Marc . .

    • Hi Marc, I think it is a matter of semantics. My entire point of this article was to knock lukewarm Christians to their butts. So-called atheists too. “Fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of wisdom.” Therefore, I wanted to instill a proper fear of God. Most Christians NEVER read their Bible and have no clue what words are in it. They are utterly unprepared to fight the spiritual fight. They have turned God and Jesus into juicy bits of bubble gum- play things for children. God is fearsome. But you are right, I think of him most of the time as my loving Father. But like a true father, I have fear/respect for him and know not to cross him. THAT is the fear that is good. No matter how ‘good and obedient’ you think you are, you should never lose this fear/respect. As for the word, ‘revenge’, well, didn’t those souls under the altar cry out for vengeance from Jesus? “When will you avenge our blood?” they cried in Revelation. Avenge, revenge, justly punish. It is the same. While I might have emphasized the more frightening aspects of God & Jesus, nonetheless, they are in the Bible as I quoted. EVERYONE these days will tell you about the ooey, gooey love of God and Jesus. I just felt it was time for a little reality check! Listen, you try talking to a few progressive atheists & homosexuals and see how far you will get with the lovey-dovey stuff. They lack ANY fear whatsoever. And thus, they are utterly foolish. Some people need a kick in the pants. And God knows it. THAT is why Jesus told us to FEAR God. So that we have the right mindset to receive him.

      • You seem to be a very angry person. At one point in your replys you said. ” My entire point of this article was to knock lukewarm Christians to their butts. So-called atheists too.”
        If that was your goal then most of what I read is certainly directed in a way to do just that.
        I do tell God thank you that was not His goal in dealing with me. For while I was yet a sinner, before I ever gave a thought to Him, He died for me. He did not nor has he ever ‘knocked me on my butt’.
        When you attack the way you do, I am reminded that the Word of God is a two-edged sword and cuts both ways.
        We are called upon to shepherd not to beat, not to drive (just as Jesus is the great Shepherd. Yes Jesus drove people from the temple, but I see that as driving the wolves from the sheep not driving the sheep by bludgeoning us.
        I suppose if that is how you feel God dealt with you then of course you might feel that is how you should deal with others.
        As I said God apparently never felt that he need to ‘knock me on my butt’, instead He died for me so I in turn choose a similar approach.

      • cking, then you never read the bible. Jesus balanced his work on earth between loving ministry and baldfaced scolding. I wrote this article to dispel the ‘modern day American Jesus’ image so many have in their minds. Jesus is also a harsh task master. He expects much of us. Remember the servant who only buried his gold instead of investing it? Jesus sent him to hell. Remember the bridesmaids’ who only crime was that they didn’t prepare enough oil? He closed the gate in their faces and said, ‘I never knew you’. The problem with so many western Christians is that they ONLY think of Christ and God as soft. But they are WAAAAYY harder than that. Solomon was right when he said that FEAR is the beginning of wisdom. God knows my heart. I wanted people to FEAR God by reading this post. I hope they did. Not to bash them, but to bring them closer to their salvation. THIS Is the work I do. What work do YOU do? Yes, I set myself up for such criticism. But GOD, my God, knows me. And he knows exactly why I wrote this post. I stand confidently before him in this matter.

  20. You are why I hate conservative Christians! How can so much ugly fundamentalism be contained in such a cute little package?

    • So. You hate me because I print God’s own words. This can only mean 1) you are a so-called atheist and hate all Christians, so why do I care? OR 2) you are a false Christian who dares to hate God’s own words which makes you not a Christian at all and again, why do I care? Either way, I will see God and you will see death. Your choice, not mine.

      • Jesus told us to love our enemies. Where do your comments fit in? Our job as Christians are to save the lost, not taunt them. You’ve been told. You can delete it, but you can’t un-read it.

      • Really? Is that why Jesus called the leaders of the day, ‘Hypocrites’, ‘dens of vipers’, ‘white washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones?’ ‘evil generation’? I could go on and on, but YOU have your ears plugged. Begone, cowardly milquetoast. You see God’s words and reject them. You will answer to him not me. Believe me, he’s on my side on this one.

      • It must be nice to read only the parts of scripture that allow you to hate. Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek. I knew somehow you’d reply thusly, but I thought I’d try for A) your soul’s sake and B) in the hopes that you might be a tad more intelligent than the Westboro Baptist crowd and would WANT to stop demeaning the word Christian with your hard-hearted attitude. Guess I was 0-for-two there, eh? On the bright side, I can use your replies on my blog to show others what Christianity Isn’t. I’m gone. In the mean time, you might want to check out Luke 9:54-55; 54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”[a]

        55 But He turned and rebuked them,[b] and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.

      • I find in funny that spiritual cowards and disobedient Christians like you decide to pick and choose the verses that allow you to condone sin and avoid any kind of controversy or trouble for yourself. The bible says very clearly, “Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”. The wisest man who ever lived and who will ever live said those words. But people like you act like God didn’t say those words. Fear of God is throughout the bible- but in your ‘wisdom’, I guess those words are hateful.

        Jesus also warned that if the world loves you, you are NOT following the Word of God. He also said we would be hated because of his name. People like you, in your complete disobedience to God, have decided YOU know how to express God’s will better than the bible. Really? God’s words are there, clear to see, and yet, you call me a HATER for simply writing them for all to see. Gee, I thought that is why God gave us his Word- to tell others about it. But people like you don’t want to see it- why? I know why. You don’t want other people to hate you. You are afraid that they will judge you. You know that to tell the truth about our God (that he is FEARSOME) will cause you, personally, a great amount of trouble. Jesus said, “11“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

        Salt and Light

        13“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.”

        You have no saltiness because you try to use YOUR words and not the living Word of God. You, in your own human version of ‘wisdom’ have decided that you will ONLY speak the words of looooooove and stickiness and honey into the ears of mankind. But that clearly is not what God intended as he also gave the words in my article above. You do this because you don’t want to be hated- you want to be seen as a ‘loving Christian’, a ‘modern Christian’, and most of all, a ‘reasonable Christian’. ALL of these things are motivated by selfishness- not a true desire to serve God. You are unwilling to lay down your life (by being hated for telling the TRUTH about God) for your fellow man- or for God. And so, you will lose it. So, YOU are the rebellious one toward God. And yet you dare to come to me and tell me that I HATE people by giving them the Word of God? Then you judge God, mister. And I don’t want to be in your shoes when you try explaining that to him when you see him.

        There is only one person who is picking and choosing scripture and it’s you. Please note that I have no need to mock other Christians or use their blogs as ‘examples’ of what Christians are NOT. You must wonder why. It is because I am confident in what I am saying. Please note that I have never, nor will I ever, visit your blog. My mission is 100% focused on the Lord. Your mission is to be right and/or to be a ‘better Christian’ than others. Good luck with that when you explain yourself and your actions to God. p.s. The Westboro Baptist thing? Really?

  21. SLR- I look forward to the resolution of our discussion on your post about the lesbian mothers. Meantime, I read through your comments here and I see that you do not consider Jesus to be God but that you consider Him to be divine. What do you mean by divine? A separate deity from the Father? Is His divinity of the same essence as the Father’s? What say you about the following references that use “God” to refer to “Christ”: Rom 9:5, Matt 1:23;Luke 5:20-21; John 1:3,10, 14, 18; 5:18; 20:28; 2 Cor 13:14; Phil 2:6; Col 1:15-20; 2:9; Titus 2:13; Heb 1:3, 8; 2 Peter 1:1; Rev 1:13-18: 22:13 among others?

    • Askme, this is a question about the validity of the Trinity doctrine. And no, Jesus is not God. He never claims to be. I understand why the trinity doctrine exists, but I don’t find it sound. It is abundantly clear to me that Jesus says over and over again that he is empowered by God, that God teaches him things, that he does not know everything that God knows, that he bows to God’s will, that he prays to God and talks to God- if God were not separate and more powerful than Christ, who the heck is he talking about? Himself? Makes no sense. Also, it is clear that the Holy Spirit is SENT by God by Christ’s request. This implies that the Holy Spirit is under command of God and Christ, thus, not equal. So, to equate all three as EQUAL is not supported in the bible. I know the references you bring up. They are clearly to state Christ’s divine nature as God’s Son. But there is only one God and he is God, not Jesus. Jesus is whom he claims to be be: God’s only begotten Son. I will take Jesus’ own words over that of a Catholic priest who wrote about the Trinity a couple hundred years ago. I put ALL my faith in only one book: the Bible- not some scholar’s interpretation.

      • Is Jesus eternal? Or was He created?

        Why does God say “Let US make man in OUR own image?”

        Why in Deut 6:4, the most famous Jewish prayer of monotheism, does it say, “Hear O Israel, the LORD our God (Elohim) the LORD is one.” The word “LORD” is the name of God “Yahweh” – which means “I AM” = “I AM the One who has always existed and always will.” So why does God use the word “Elohim”, which is the plural form for the word “God” instead of the singular Hebrew word, “El”?

      • Askme, first, you speak of time as if it has always existed. Why? God created time- he lives outside of time, which explains why he can know and BE at all times. Therefore, questions of ‘before’ or ‘after’ make no sense. As much as we can not understand the eternal nature of God, we can not understand God’s ‘begetting’ of Jesus, his son. The bible is clear that Jesus is ‘begotten’. That implies creation. So, yes, God made or ‘begot’ Jesus. While some who like the concept of the Trinity (why, I will never understand- most are simply Catholics who have been taught that should they NOT believe this, they will go to hell) focus on the teeniest of tiniest fragments of words to prove their point, I will point to the extreme totality of common sense spoken by Jesus himself and the entire bible. They can NOT be the same person- or they talk to themselves an awful lot.

      • why do you think he is referring to himself? He was referring to Jesus. But you are assuming that just because Jesus was present at the time of our universe’s start that Jesus IS God! Why do you make such a strange assumption?

      • I appreciate that you seek to know God for who He has revealed Himself to be in scripture, rather than view scripture solely through an epistimelogical system. Those systems (such as dispensationalism, millennialism, etc) have often been constructed with the motivation to help us understand complex biblical ideas. It is the believers job to evaluate whether or not those systems accurately capture the whole counsel of scripture (which is the above two examples I don’t think they do.)

        It’s good to evaluate the nature of Jesus and the doctrine of the Trinity, as long as we are open to where that inquiry, based on the Word of God which speaks with one overall message and does not offer any contradictory view of God, may lead.

        Why do I assert that He is God? It’s verses like this which, if interpreted at face value, are conveying Christ’s nature as God Himself:

        In John 1:1 it says, “In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.” In John 1:3 it says the word was involved in creation. In John 1:14 it says the word became flesh. This is referring to Jesus. Here, John the Apostle (arguable the closest friend of Christ) says that the word (Jesus) was God.

        In Philippians 2:6a it says Jesus, “Who, being in very nature God…” This word “nature” means the same essence or subsistence as God. This passage, one of the earliest Christian creeds, explicitly affirm Jesus Godhood.

        The Apostle Paul continues in Philippians 2:6b-8 to saying that Jesus, though He had the nature / essence / subsistence of God, He voluntarily let go of this glorious state, humbling Himself by adding human flesh.

        The Apostle Paul goes on in Philippians 2:9-11 to say that therefore, because of His humility He would be glorified as Christ and Lord. The word “Lord” to the Jewish mind is to call someone “Yahweh” or God.

        Why else would the Jews try to stone Him for blasphemy? Jesus was doing things: performing miracles, forgiving sin, saying that before Abraham was I AM, etc., that only God could do.

        Jesus Himself said in His High Priestly prayer before His death in John 17:5 – “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” What was this glory like? Like His glory explained in John 1:1-3?

        In Hebrews 1:3a it says, “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word…” The words “exact representation” means a replica, like two coins that have the exact representation as one another. It seems that you are saying that Jesus is not the exact representation as God’s being. If so, what do you do with this verse?

        Isaiah 44:6 “This is what the LORD says– Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.”

        In Revelation, Jesus applies these words to Himself: And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Revelation 22:12-13

        The evidence of Jesus eternal attributes and godhood is well supported scriptural.

      • ALL of those, excepting one, can be read in a different light- one that is consistent with all the other statements Jesus made about himself being separate than God.

        “In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.” John’s entire book was dedicated to affirming Jesus’ diety- he has NOT merely man, conceived by man. He was God’s Son. This is a figure of speech. If it were not, then all of Jesus’ references to God being separate make no sense.

        “Who, being in very nature God…” You say that ‘nature’ means the same essence or subsistence as God. Agreed. But that doesn’t mean he IS God. He is like God- how could he not be? He is his Son!

        You said, “Why else would the Jews try to stone Him for blasphemy? Jesus was doing things: performing miracles, forgiving sin, saying that before Abraham was I AM, etc., that only God could do. ” No, it expressly says that they wanted to stone him for saying he was God’s SON- which equated him to God. That is how the Jewish mind thought back in those days. The son of a king was honored as the king was honored- because he would inherit the kingship. Jesus NEVER claimed to be God. All your verses will never see Jesus make such a claim. Most often, he referred to himself as ‘Son of Man’. Even though he was divine.

        You said, “The words “exact representation” means a replica, like two coins that have the exact representation as one another. ” Um, no. That is NOT what ‘representation’ means. It means Jesus represents God exactly. But it does not mean Jesus IS God. In fact, the very word, ‘represent’ means he can NOT be God!

        You said, “How else can you read read this?” Isaiah 44:6 “This is what the LORD says– Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.” EASY! God IS our Redeemer. He says so over and over and over again the Old Testament. But so is Christ our Redeemer. But Christ’s redemption is given through the permission of God. God sent his Only begotten Son to the world… FIRST God, then Jesus. This is the order that Jesus himself talked about over and over again.

        You reference Jesus saying, ” I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” as PROOF he is God. Not so! Why would that make you think this? Again, you are thinking like a human who is locked in TIME. Both God and Jesus exist OUTSIDE of time. Thus, Jesus CAN be both the beginning and end- as can God.

        Basically, all your arguments and the way YOU interpret them: that Jesus IS God (even though he NEVER spoke those words- and in fact, said the very opposite), would make Jesus in contradiction to himself. The VAST amount of what Jesus said CLEARLY shows him subservient to God, sent BY God, and obedient TO God. My adherence to the clear logic of the bible allows the entire bible to be consistent. Why would I or anyone go with your interpretation (& those of the Catholic Church) that would cause DIS-harmony rather than one that allows perfect harmony? THAT is the question.

      • how do you explain these words. “for I have a name no one knows” quoted by Jesus.
        and thank you so very much ,for such clear statesman from the bible it self.

  22. Shut up you Miserable Buzzard!!!
    If this isn’t the Devil’s work I don’t know what is. Why should YOU worry about going to Hell? You’re already there. Good Luck.

    • We know scripture shows us Jesus existed before he was birthed on earth. He was only begotten because God put him in Mary by the Holy Spirit. And although they operated in different ways and forms it is stated several times that they are indeed ONE. The Godhead working in 3 forms. Emmanuel “God with us.”

  23. Always a good sign when someone bases the foundation of their Christianity primarily on OT laws and a hand full of scriptures from the NT. You asked someone…

    “Really? Is that why Jesus called the leaders of the day, ‘Hypocrites’, ‘dens of vipers’, ‘white washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones?’ ‘evil generation’? I could go on and on, but YOU have your ears plugged. Begone, cowardly milquetoast. You see God’s words and reject them. You will answer to him not me. Believe me, he’s on my side on this one.”

    He, Jesus, actually goes on to say why he calls out those very Pharisees you refer to… that they “have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness” and also “They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.” The juxtaposition is based on the Pharisees living a legalistic-empty religion based on perceived works instead of having a true mercy and spirit led faith. Now recall that the Pharisees did practice judicial punishment of stoning and such quite fervently at this time and had special legislation from Rome allowing them to do so. Therefore, by both historical context and language, the Greek in this verse more applies to social justice of helping those in need. They were essentially guilty of doing what you are dangerously close to doing in this very blog.

    Before you go on rants, it may do you well to study history and learn (fluently) the original languages of the scriptures. That way you have context in mind when you talk. As it stands now not only are you forgetting that Jesus showed love and mercy to prostitutes, adulterers, and murderers (who simply asked please remember me when you get to your kingdom), but that He also preferred the humble and broken who beat their chests saying lord have mercy on me a sinner. Scriptures further state that nothing can take us out of his hand that Paul referred to himself consistently as a sinner and chief of them, that any man who claims to no longer sin does not know Christ, and so on.

    Yes we need to acknowledge that sin is not okay. Yes it has consequences, but God is eternal, his sacrifice is eternal, and it accounted for our sins period. Maybe a thankful heart for such unmerited mercy and grace says more than dogma. Maybe Jesus knew that compassion and right/loving behavior as an example could help people change more than the Pharisees approach of spouting empty rules and throwing stones. Did you ever see Jesus do any of the things you are doing, during his time on earth, when he dealt with those in sin (outside of the Pharisees for reasons mentioned earlier)?

    No, in fact Jesus was clear that we must forgive if we are to be forgiven, love as he first loved, and help the least of these. In essence our Faith should be demonstrated by our love of, and service to, God, not by acting hatefully. Say you are right though, is your tone and responses to people not sinful itself? The Sermon on the mount makes it clear what name calling will get you …”he who calls his brother a fool is in danger of hellfire”. I also am curious as to how many hands you currently have as since the hand typing this caused you to violate the words written in Matthew surely you must have followed it to the legalistic extreme and cut it off, for as you quoted 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. – John 15:10

    • I just wrote an answer to another reader that will suffice as an answer to you. Here it is: “It is so easy for these Lukewarmers to criticize. What they want is to do exactly whatever they want and condone it in others and THEN call on the ‘love thy neighbors’ and ‘forgive as I have forgiven you’ aspects of Christianity. THEN they go on to say that those who believe in obedience to the biblical scripture are ‘not acting in love’ but are ‘judging’. They want to believe that obedience is not a part of following Christ. And they also want to believe that God never told Ezekiel that it is our job and responsibility to warn people they will die for their sins. Basically, they want to cut the bible in half and take the ‘good’ part and leave the ‘bad part’ on the table.”

      I will add that your disdain for the Old Testament is interesting. I hate to tell you, but it is still in full effect today. While you recommend for me to study my bible, it is you who either don’t study it or simply avoid the parts you don’t like. Jesus said, “”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matt 5:17

      The only parts of the Old Testament that we no longer have to deal with are the rites and rituals for purification, cleanliness & atonement for sins. That is because Jesus is the last and best blood sacrifice for our sins. His blood permanently washes us clean. Also, because Jesus brought the new covenant, the ‘new deal’, the new testament to mankind, HE becomes the means to righteousness- not the rites and rituals. Therefore, Jesus’ words make perfect sense. Nothing in the Old Testament has been nullified. Just fulfilled for all time. So your comment that somehow my use of the OT makes the point moot is also incorrect. That being said, as my article clearly demonstrates, both Jesus and Apostle Paul confirmed that homosexuality is aberrant and wrong.

      • Hello,
        Your right that the old testament has not been abolished, and israel still has many promises that will one day be fulfilled. Romans 15:4 says that the old testament scriptures were written for our learning. We live in a state of grace. Doesn’t mean there are not consequences for sin. Also doesn’t mean God won’t correct those who are his, especially if they are knowing commiting sin without remorse. Many churches today get this wrong either by becoming legalistic or having a ‘grace without consequences doctrine.’

        I’ve been in a legalistic Christian ministry before. They can become suffocating and oppressive. We were not allowed to borrow money (usery), couldn’t go to college if we would have to take on debt, had strict policies on ministry attendance (3 days a week minimum). You also hsd to report your contributions to leadership (tithes). I’m no longer a member of this ministry. They have also changed since do to the fact their legalism almost destroyed them.

        My point is that there is a middle and very Godly position between legalism and a everything goes ministry. Though if I had to choose between the two I found less corruption in legalism than a the lazy everything goes churches out there. You can’t accomplish anything spiritually without a Godly standard as the center piece of your ministry. When you do that your going to make some people mad. Oh well

      • Hi Marc- both types of churches are misled. Legalism is strictly prohibited- one must read the entire bible and then make an effort to find the wisdom by which every statement is true. There are no contradictions. If people think there is a contradiction, it is the fault of their learning and wisdom. It is clear that there will always be a dynamic of tension in our walk with God. When to adhere to obedience, when to understand our freedom in Christ. When to rebuke? When to forgive? When to let go, when to continue striving. When to continue to witness. When to recognize the dogs and pigs for who they are. When to judge, when to extend compassion. Most people I have met would really like to cut the bible in half- and keep the half they like best. But the WHOLE is true. All the time. We need the Holy Spirit to guide our discernment as individuals and as the corporate Body of Christ.

  24. Hi. I am new to your site. I read this article and it kind of scared me. I am reading the bible and started in the old testament. I found, or at least it seemed, that the god of the old testament was so harsh and vengeful yet god of the new seemed so different. Love your enemies, do not judge or you will be judged, turn the other cheek, etc. and so I have always been confused. God loves you no matter what.

    I sent your article to one of the pastors at my church and this was his response. What are your thoughts on his reply. I expected a little more, hopefully he read your whole article.

    Here is his response: 9:29 AM
    Dave Lanuti
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    I agree it’s not fair to say that God is only a loving God.  Among many other things, He is also JUST.  The penalty of sin is death (see Romans 6:23).  Because God is also perfectly HOLY, he cannot be tainted with our sin.  That’s where His unbelievable forgiveness comes in.  That Jesus essentially said, “What can I do to help?”  And God demonstrated his love and forgiveness by sending His only son so that we would not be eternally separated from God, but would have eternal life in Him!  (see John 3:16)
     
    That’s amazingly forgiving!  J
     
     
    Thank you so much,

    Very respectfully

    Peggy hamill

    • Well, he agrees with my article- and really, how could he not? It is fully supported by scripture. It is simply that most Western cultures have lied (by omission) about the true nature of God. First, it is GOOD for you to be afraid. That is EXACTLY the way you should feel. God does NOT love you, no matter what. As my article showed, he can hate a person too. Can you not believe that? I can. He LOVES but he is RIGHTEOUS. He is a TERRIBLE God sometimes- terrifying to such an extent that we will all run and hide in caves when he comes to this earth again. People think that what we need is protection from Satan. Not SO! What we need is protection from God’s full cup of terrible WRATH. Indeed, these lies of omission have CAUSED the apostasy we see today. People who are raised as Christians are leaving the church. Know why? Because they do not fear the Lord, our God. FEAR is the beginning of wisdom. God never changes. There is no such thing as the Old Testament God and the New Testament God. There is only One God and everything the bible says about him is true. But think about it. Isn’t that GREAT?? We have a God who is MIGHTY- with HIM on our side, what can anyone do to us??? He is MIGHTY TO SAVE and mighty to destroy. He will destroy our enemies FOR US! Because they are not really our enemies- they are HIS enemies. What does a person really want in a leader? A mamsy pamsy feel good granola hippy or a God who is terrifying to oppose? A God who, despite his awesome power, can weep for the children of Israel, even as he destroys them! A God who despite his terrible wrath, loves the dust of his creation so much that he sent his BELOVED and ONLY BEGOTTEN son to lower himself to become a physical being, to be damaged by satanic forces, to be mocked by his creation ALL so that they can be saved??? To be the Awesome God you read about- the one who will send attacking armies to lay siege to Israel so that parents will EAT THEIR OWN CHILDREN in starvation- and yet, remain THIS patient for the opportunity of eternal life should reach the ends of the earth!?? THAT is the God that humans crave and need. Not this American Jesus that the modern church has cooked up. Tell the TRUTH about God and the people will come. They can’t help but be compelled by him.

    • Hi I’m commenting on Jesus and God are not separate but in fact “Jesus is God manifested in the flesh”!! You have to go back to the virgin Mary. What power or greatness pregnant her as a virgin? And what power did Jesus have or get it from to die and rise after death for 3 days? Certainly not man?!? It was His Father Jehovah God and if you study your bible asking God for revelation of the scriptures He will open your understanding to the God Head!! There are 3 in One God the father, God the son, and God the Holy spirit all wrapped up in One!! Pray and search the scriptures and attend a good bible teaching church who know what the bible says on the God Head!! Google and search for a good bible believing!!

    • So, if Jesus & God are the same.. then why doesn’t Jesus know when He is going to return if God is all knowing? Matthew 24:36. & when He was praying to God was He praying to himself? Or when He said Father why have thou forsaken Me. Did He forsake Himself? I could go on all day long. Jesus is the exact image of God, but not God Almighty. He is the Son of God. Or when He said, all power & authority has been given to Me. If He was God wouldn’t He already have all power & authority? He gave himself all power & authority? Very confusing…If the Father & Son are the same, then God died on the cross as well. But it is written many times over that God cannot die in the Bible. If God cannot be tempted with sin..then how was Jesus tempted if He was God? Jesus never said He was God. I once believed that but upon further examination..I determined that was a lie.If they are the same then why did He say..And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Luke 18:19. Why is He deflecting praise to someone else if He is indeed God. Does not make any sense whatsoever. God is good & He said that only God was good. So, Jesus if was God..then He rewarded himself for doing His own commandments? God obeyed himself? Once again..very confusing…Jesus was made immoral, but God is already immortal. These are questions that Christians can never give a proper answer to. Jesus is the son of God not God.

      • Indeed. There are so many examples in the bible where God is clearly God and the Jesus was made by God, lifted up to be EQUAL (but not the same person) to God. It is clear that God is above Christ. God raised Christ above all the angels. Somehow, he ‘begot’ Jesus. We simply can’t understand what the word, ‘begot’ means as we can’t even understand the make up of God. We will find out later when we see them. Compare the number of times that Jesus called himself separate from God, how many times God said Jesus was separate from himself and THEN compare it to the number of times anyone calls Jesus, ‘God’ and it looks like a mountain next to a very small thimble. The times where people refer to Christ (or the Word) as God can simply be explained as an expression. God most certainly raised Christ to be his equal- above the angels, his ‘companions’ because the bible says so.

        5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

        “You are my Son;
        today I have become your Father”[a]?

        Or again,

        “I will be his Father,
        and he will be my Son”[b]?

        6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

        “Let all God’s angels worship him.”[c]

        7 In speaking of the angels he says,

        “He makes his angels spirits,
        and his servants flames of fire.”[d]

        8 But about the Son he says,

        “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
        a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
        9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.”[e]

        Here is another in Psalm 2: “6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
        7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

        There are so many more. But you can see that God calls Jesus ‘oh God’ to show that Jesus is now equal to him in status compared to the angels.

  25. As I have been reading these many posts I believe the Holy Spirit bought these verses to mind . First I just want to say that absolutely we are supposed to have a healthy fear of God our Father as children should have a healthy fear an respect of their fathers here on earth. I do not argue that matter one bit . But 1John 4:17 -18 came to mind where it says ” God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God , and God in him . In this way love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgement because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. “. And then John 10 :30 where Jesus says : I and the Father are one “

    • Julie, of course you are right about LOVE. The reason for this post is not to claim that God is an angry God, but to tell the side of the God that is being suppressed, to everyone’s detriment, in the majority of churches today (at least in modern, Western culture. Most people have already heard the LOVE side and are bored, frankly. That is because no one tells them WHY they need Christ’s salvation. It isn’t to protect them against the devil. It is protect them from the full bowl of wrath from God, himself. Without this firm understanding, people just wander away. It all becomes meaningless. So, I thought an article reminding people about the TRUE personality of God would be a good way to inject some life into the lukewarm Christians out there. I truly believe Solomon when he said that the beginning of wisdom is FEAR of the Lord. Without that foundation, the love doesn’t really strike the proper cord in humans.

    • Yes – God is love, perfect love. That does not negate the fact that people need to repent in order to be in a relationship with Him (perfect love). We fear (humbly strive to please) God, not man. Perfect love drives away fear of man, death, destruction. Luke 12:1-5 shows that there are different things we could fear but we should only fear God. Earlier in 1John, he writes “Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. (ESV)” We cannot claim to live in love and in God while we practice sin. God wants everyone to repent but He knows some will refuse.

  26. Do you honestly believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God? If you do, how do you reconcile this belief with the canonization process that took place within the early church community (roughly 2nd century to 5th century CE)?

    • Almost all your comments were in my spam filter. Let us just say that you posted all the verses about Christ’s love and patience for us. Again, you have failed to see my point. No kidding he loves us? really? Gee, I didn’t know that. You fail to understand that every verse I printed in this article are ALSO true. So, the wise person must accept both sides to be true and then seek to understand HOW it can be true. You are mighty excited about this article considering the number of comments you have made. You only want to see the love, but you don’t want to see the hate and the anger of God. Well, what can I say to you? You refuse to accept the WHOLE word of God and I choose to accept the whole of it. That makes me right and you wrong. Cutting the bible in half so that it suits you is sinful. But you won’t hear wisdom- good luck with that.

      • Sorry, no. They were huge, long and irrelevant. I concede your point that Christ loves us and forgives us. That was never my objection and you know it. No point in printing all the love verses- we all know they are there. But most, like you, reject the verses I have in this article. And THAT was my entire point.

      • Hello,
        God is just. God does have legal standards that have to be met (to say other wise is to make Christ’s sacrifice unnecessary). God is love and in him is no darkness at all. The word also states God corrects those whom he loves. There are records where sinful rebellious men have met a horific end. This is the consequence of sin. This should not shock christians.

        Where I believe there is a disconnect is when we try to fit God’s will and infinite wisdom into our world view. God’s love exceeds anything we can comprehend. His justice and righteous anger also exceed our comprehension. The best example I can give is that we in our natural sinful state have more in common with Hitler and Stalin than God. One, just one sin is worthy of death by legal standard, and we sin every single day. We can not comprehend God’s mercy and love because we see through a glass darkly. Christ’s sacrifice for us is more love and mercy than we would show anyone else. The fact that the wrath to come is being held in abeyance right now is nothing but love and mercy.

        That being said read Isaiah and jeremiah. Ezekiel? An individual, a people, or a nation can not play the harlot and not have unrepentant sin over and over again and not have consequences for it. People tend to forget that God is just, and just one small sin by our standards is enough to separate us from God. Christ offered himself in our place. Be thankful. But remember God didn’t spare the original branch. Obedience and genuine repent is needed. Its a walk. Though God is also forgives. There is a balance here.

    • Steven, I guess you missed the point. But only because you don’t want to stop sinning yourself. He DID die for us. But it wasn’t a free ticket to sin. I could list a mountain of scripture to that effect, but if you weren’t moved by these here, there is no point in adding more.

  27. I strongly disagree with you, but i understand because many of you who have not paid the price can not understand the word of God.Yes you know what it say but you have no glue what it means because you have not paid the ultimate price to qualify to understand what you know. Read Luke 14.25-33. note 33, Mark 10.28-30, Phil.3.4-8, for you to be a disciple (Student) of Jesus you need to qualify by giving up everything you OWN. The Bible is not talking of your sins here nor just asking to come forward and say the so called sinners prayer, it much more deep than that. are you prepared to lose your life, possessions, mothers, father, child, work, leave your town or country for ever, go against your traditions (church,family,tribe,national, community), your denomination church or believe system if it clearly is against the truth, your ambition no matter how much you have invested in it, Are you prepared to lose all the mentioned things for Jesus (The Truth). Did you make this commitment to Jesus already, were you test in this commitment? only after this are you fit to tell others what the word of God really say otherwise what you say is just your opinions but not the truth. Only these that have made total commitment to the truth are given revelation truth.

    • Hans, I can attest that I most certainly have sacrificed all for Christ. My entire life. And I do believe that this revelation is given to me. I feel very much that God has placed me here to say just what I say. As for God hating the sinner- he does. You can’t just interpret the bible any way you want. God loves more than he hates. But there ARE those he does hate. It is rare, but it does happen. and when I observe the depravity of the worst kinds of human beings, I can believe it. People can become truly detestable. Not most- but some.

  28. God hate sin but he loves the sinner, Rom 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am merely human, sold as a slave to sin.
    Rom 7:15 I don’t understand what I am doing. For I don’t practice what I want to do, but instead do what I hate.
    Rom 7:16 Now if I practice what I don’t want to do, I am admitting that the Law is good.
    Rom 7:17 As it is, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that is living in me.
    Rom 7:18 For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but I cannot carry it out.
    Rom 7:19 For I don’t do the good I want to do, but instead do the evil that I don’t want to do.
    Rom 7:20 But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am no longer the one who is doing it, but it is the sin that is living in me.
    Rom 7:21 So I find this to be a principle: when I want to do what is good, evil is right there with me. Paul clearly separate the sin from the person here. the person is a slave or prisoner here, he is doing what he don’t want to do. So the sinner here is not the person but the spirit of sin in the person. The love of God for the person is eternal based on many verses in the bible but he hate the sinner in the person. The person is the one we see with our physical eyes doing something but we humans are most of the time not aware of the third party but God is.God took the law away many verses testify to that which means no obedience of the law anymore. you can not obey something which is not there. So what must we obey or stop doing wrong. Obey the fact that God say Give your body as living sacrifice so that he can start to control your body. That’s the only.

    • Hans, Again, you are overcomplicating the issue. God most certainly states, clearly, that he hates certain kinds of people. That is that. One verse can’t negate the others. All are true. God can indeed hate some people- yet I believe he loves and is willing to accept most if they change. But it is clear that there are those who are beyond help. Even God gives up on them and predetermines them to go to hell- this is called hardening of the heart. people want to believe that God is ONLY love. But he is also righteous and powerful. He will not put up with the worst dregs of humanity. They have already chosen their path and satan. God sees into their hearts and he knows who they are. He has the authority and the righteous wisdom to determine that they are not ever going to be suitable for heaven. Again, you can’t use verses to NEGATE others. You need to accept all verses and then find the truth that binds it all together.

    • romans…? why…? this is only a Paul doctrine ,,,and he was a deceiver… so get another scripture
      from what is true gospel ,the old testament…even Jesus lived by those words.

      • Ridiculous statement. If God can’t create a book called the bible which outlines his will perfectly, then he is not much of a God. Certainly not worth worship. The bible is either all true or not true at all. The middle ground option has NO logic whatsoever.

  29. I believe your heart is in the right place and you mean well, but when you make a blanket statement that the Bible doesn’t say God loves the sinners, but not the sin, and people point out the verse to you (Rom. 5:8), and you won’t acknowledge it, you lose all credibility. Then you also make a Calvinistic point saying, that “God willingly hardens the hearts for the specific reason that they CANNOT be saved.” This is un-Biblical. God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9). “For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:3,4) God does let men choose not to come to Him, but that is man’s choice. When God harden’s their hearts, it is men who have already rejected Him, God simply lets them have the desires of their hearts. All said in love, to God be the Glory!

    • Hi Steve- I lose credibility for being ‘Calvinistic’ and quoting true and real and existing verses in the bible? How convenient of you have a nickname for me. As I have never studied what the heck being a ‘Calvinist’ is, I can hardly embody it. What you and so many people want is to pick and choose which verses make you happy, cozy and comfortable. I never said that God didn’t love the individual. If I said that, then why even bother with me? I could hardly be a Christian and deny God’s immense love for humanity. What I am pointing out is the fallacy and wishful thinking that has dominated the modern church. Those phrases are not biblical- by definition. They are not in the bible in any verse whatsoever. You can’t argue that. What I am saying is that modern day Christians AND unbelievers have been either coddled too much or outright lied to about the Nature of God. He is a loving God- but he is most certainly a RIGHTEOUS God. His anger is real- and so is his wrath. Many people avoid the Old Testament because their wishy washy belief system can’t accomodate the God of the Old Testament. They can’t bear that his murdered over a hundred thousand soldiers who were only doing their job- granted, they worked for enemy kings- but they were probably just working slobs like the rest of us. They couldn’t all be evil like their king. And yet, over night, God just extinguished them to suit his purpose. You can’t make up the personality of God. You can’t only tell people about his love. That is EXACTLY why humans are leaving church. They are BORED and completely unimpressed with the American Jesus. God isn’t relevant to their lives. God knows what he made. We are snotty, stuck up, bratty and stubborn things. Without a proper fear of God, we WILL go wrong. My attempt with this article is to shock people into a true awareness of the nature of God. Not to say he doesn’t love also. Please don’t take out your emotional discomfort caused by these verses out on me. My article IS biblical. And all the verses I put on are literally biblical. You just don’t like them. But that doesn’t pigeon hole me into a ‘type’ of Christian. It just makes me a complete believer in the WHOLE bible. the ‘contradictions’ people see are due to their own refusal to accept what God has said. There ARE NO CONTRADICTIONS- just a failure in the hearts and minds of those who read God’s Word.

  30. Isn’t this (life) all about unconditional love? Selfish vs the selfless. Jesus was selfless. The nature of sin and the flesh is selfish. Make a choice and suffer the consequences either way. Plain and simple. Isn’t that the jest of the bible? Why argue about what is right or wrong in the bible verses?

    Clearly religious leaders are human so they can and will follow the flesh from time to time. Doesn’t this open the possibility that they could have altered certain bible verses to benefit them instead of the Lord (why are there different versions of the bible with removed books?). Could that possibly be the reason that there’s this one bible verse that says: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (kind of a foreshadowing that liars wrote some of the bible so be ware)

    Couldn’t it be possible that the very verses that have been added or altered are the very ones you all are arguing about. Can we all just agree that it all comes down to the will to live and act on selfless thoughts instead of selfish ones. Isn’t it possible that the ONLY reason Jesus was born, was to show for for a fact that there are no excuses to being a good person or doing the right thing. Emotion, what the group wants, what’s pleasing to mans senses are all distractions. Mere tests to show our love for God by denying what may seem good to us, but is really not.

    Emotion is just a subjective reaction of reality vs what we want in fantasy. A lot of rants here or reproofs seem to be emotionally charged. Can we all admit that we are stupid and always learning. We do not know everything. Even the things we know are just things repeated from others. What do they know? Do the research yourself. I was an atheist until enough shit happened in my life that didn’t add up to make me actively read the bible at times and try to understand life.

    A lot of humans are followers. They do and say things to please the crowd because to them the crowd is God. It’s only because they love togetherness no matter how misguided it is. It is only because they loathe loneliness no matter how justified it is. It’s only because they are of the flesh that they make these foolish choices. These are things the flesh wants. Pleasure while avoiding pain.

    Sight, hearing, taste, touch, and smell. Are these not the things that guide human action. Perfume vs trash; sweets vs bitters; pain vs dopamine; soothing sounds vs noise; beauty vs. ugliness. Can YOU (any reader) say that these are not the things you live your life and make your decisions according too. Can You (any reader) say that all of these things are merely perceptions of your mind and that specific likes and dislikes vary from person to person?

    Can we take a step back, look at the big picture, see the larger ideal instead of scoping out specific targets? Can we acknowledge that the bible may be just a guide (not a manual) to live life by so that out perceptions pick what is rightful to like and dislike.

    Can’t we all ask ourselves these questions honestly in private: Are my worldly perceptions clashing with what is truly selfless and am I really a selfish soul confused and accepting any answer the group gives me to comfort this confusion?

    Think for yourself. Here’s 2 harsh truths to get you started: Most of your family and friends will not be in heaven if you make it yourself. God is not stupid like human judges, believing what any slim ball lawyer tells them based on slim ball facts. He is the lawyer, hidden camera, judge, jury and much more.

    I personally believe we are all dead already and that God is just showing us our lives one second at a time so that we can understand why we ended up in Hell or Heaven.

    • Interesting. But I CAN tell you that I do live for God. For his pleasure. and I do believe that other Christians do the same. But most? No. That is why Jesus said that many will call out ‘Lord, Lord!’ on the final day and he will respond, “I do not know you. Go away, evil servant!” Most people will not make it into heaven. That is true. What is not true is your belief that the only reason Christ came was to show us that we have no excuse. He didn’t come to propose a perfect life which which we are to compare ours and thus, know that we are corrupt. You need to read Paul’s letters with more insight. The Mosaic Law was imposed on humanity for thousands of years to accomplish that task. BECAUSE the Jews endured the pain and suffering of ALWAYS failing to uphold the Law, they knew they were corrupt. and therefore, had no excuse. God also said, before Jesus was born, that he wrote his Law on every human heart. THEREFORE, none of us- Jew or Gentile- have an excuse before him. God has already judged us and found that we deserve death. The Law was then given to prove to mankind himself that we deserve death. So Jesus didn’t need to repeat the exercise. That is why he said that he did not come to judge us. That we are already judged. He came to bring us a new ‘deal’ with God. A new ‘covenant’ with God. With a message of hope and love to tell us that God knows our afflicted state and FEELS SORRY for us. That his love and compassion for our damned state of sin caused him to send his son with a message of FORGIVENESS. That he lifted up the burden of perfection according to the Law to obtain heaven. That God, in his infinite compassion, decided to make it easier for us to come to him. That ALL we needed to do is BELIEVE Jesus’ words and his promise to raise us up on the last day. That is WHY he came. Not to damn us.

      Also, you are wrong about the bible being a mere guide. It is not a mere guide. It is the Holy Word of God. It represents his will perfectly. As to their being different versions of the bible and some bibles deleting books, you are uninformed. First, all major translations are exactly the same as one another- the differences are miniscule and don’t change the meaning of the verses. There are some translations that ADMITTEDLY are translated into easy to understand language. But they tell you this- they are not ‘official’ translations- like the Living Bible. This urban legend that the bible has changed over time was dispelled by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Even the worst critics of the bible had to shut their mouths upon their discovery. The bible hasn’t changed one bit from its origins. Now, about some bibles ‘deleting’ certain books. Again, you are misinformed. The Catholic church ADDED books after the bible had been canonized. They added books to justify their corrupt system of dispensations (where people gave money to the church to ‘free’ people from Purgatory) and Purgatory. These were ADDED. None were deleted. The Catholic Church will be held to account for that due to the very warning from Christ you spoke of.

      You are right that many/most people do what they wish to do. They believe what is comfortable. But they are the reason we are on this earth. You have only ONE true reason to be born: to be born AGAIN! This physical life was given as an amazing opportunity to LIVE FOREVER with God in our true state- which is eternal. Every culture throughout human history have understood the soul of man- his eternal nature is ingrained within the human psyche. The reason God created us is to become his eternal child. Nothing more, nothing less. This life is a testing ground. God is fair in all things. He gives us all an equal chance. Past finding our own salvation, we have only one other reason to draw breath, eat, sleep, laugh or even blink our eyes- to help others who are heading for eternal death also find eternal life. That is our JOB. That is our only purpose- which Christ made clear when he gave the disciples the Great Commission. Go OUT and TELL the good news of God’s new covenant and promise of complete forgiveness. If you don’t dedicate the rest of your life to this purpose after you have found eternal life, then you are disobeying Jesus. And you will be called to account. You still retain your life, but you will be seen as having failed in your job.

      Open Minded, you need to understand that slavery to Christ is complete joy and freedom. Your life suddenly has glorious purpose and you find the joy that passes all understanding. I am SO happy that you found Jesus. But you need to be strengthened in your faith. Give your ENTIRE life to Christ. Believe in God’s ability to create and maintain a book called the bible. If HE wishes it not to change, it won’t change. And it hasn’t. Not one iota. With the exception of the Catholic’s corrupt desire to justify their money making system of Purgatory, priesthood and lucrative dispensation practices, the bible is eternal. The bible is not complicated. Neither is being human. You need to stop overthinking- stop being cynical and bitter. We are NOT dead. We are ALIVE. And God is AWESOME!

      Susan

  31. Love the sinner but hate the sin! True is not in the bible! How do you figure that is not the very actions Jesus carried out. He loved sinners and dwelt among them, but never once delighted in sin.True God did hate people in the old testament because he delt with the sin problem in a different way, sending his son he established a new covenant and a new way of dealing with sin. God hates sin so if you don’t have faith in Jesus then god sees your sin and if you die in your sin he can not allow you in to his presence! If you have faith in Jesus Christ then god “remembers your sins no more” because you have been credited with righteous and coverd/washed in the blood. Where in the new testament does it say Jesus hated anyone? When you become a Christ follower you don’t ask how much sin can I get away with, you give your life to serve your savior and to bear fruit which is an coutward expression of an inward change. I’m free from the bondage of sin and death! God doesn’t look at his children and say “oh you sinned so now I hate you” “oh you asked for forgiveness now I love you again”
    Keep old testament in the old testament and new in the new, there is a reason god tells of 2 covants and not one there is a reason there is a old and new! God IS LOVE!

    • Lover of Christ, you missed the entire point of my article. If you don’t get it, what can I say? Of course God loves. But he hates too. And there is no such thing as keeping Old Testament ‘old’. Even Christ upheld the ENTIRE Old Testament. Not one word has changed with Christ’s coming. Christ came in fulfillment of the Old Testament. But he didn’t change it. He simply offered us a way off of this forsaken planet and into LIFE. But God is eternal and never changes. How he is described in the Old Testament is exactly how he IS. He never changes. Sorry it makes you uncomfortable. Personally, I adore God just as he is described. Who wants a whimpy God? Nope, I love that he hates evil and evil people. So do I. There are some that are not redeemable. And if you can’t see that, then, my friend, you are deeply asleep.

  32. Hi,there again I have tried numerous time to get an answer from you to no avail,
    why do you make the bible so complicated ,when in reality is very simplicity reading.
    may be I’m wrong or going about it the wrong way, I read and write and understand
    few languages some people call me a linguist, could be that my forte was to learn as many languages I could, by now I can do very well in Hebrew, Greek ,Latin, Esperanto, Spanish ,and others. I want to hear from you an explanation to two items,
    can you explain a bit about Romans 14 ;1-23 my bible say Paul wrote this..
    and Mark 7;15-20 .was that Mark or Jesus speaking here?
    also how about Leviticus 11;1-47
    and you say there’s no contradictions, okay let me put this way.
    shall I follow Romans 14 or Mark 7 (Jesus) or Leviticus 11 (God command)
    you tell me , but remember what say . ,,you will have to answer one day to a higher authority.
    thank you so very much ,blessings come your way.
    Wynn

    • Wynn, I don’t make the bible ‘complicated’. You ask if we must choose between verses. But that shows you lack wisdom. One must answer to ALL of the bible. There are ZERO contradictions. God never changes. Thus, what is written in the Old is the same in the NEW. Jesus confirmed this when he said, “”Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Matt 5:17.

      It is you who fails to understand. To answer your question about Mark/Romans vs. Leviticus: First- really? you use WHOLE chapters in your question? Which aspect would you have me answer? However, I think I know what you are trying to ask. Thus, let me answer you. You obey ALL. Now. The question of clean vs. unclean food. The purpose of many of the laws of leviticus was to maintain ‘cleanliness’ before the law. There were many, many such laws. These laws also included various types of sacrifices that had to be made for various types of sins. In addition, physical imperfection of a person could prevent them from entering God’s temple. They had to heal and then ‘present themselves before the priest’ to prove they were ‘clean’ again. Wynn. You lack understanding and wisdom of how the Old and New work together- I’m not sure why. I think you need to pray for wisdom. The reason the ‘cleanliness’ laws in Leviticus, while still VALID, are no longer necessary for us is because Jesus came as the LAST sacrifice to complete our ‘cleansing’. The sacrifice of HIS body is more worthy than any birds, grain, lambs or any other type of sacrifice for cleansing. His blood far outweighs the value of any other kind of blood. BECAUSE Jesus came in fulfilment of the law, we no longer need to observe the cleansing and purifying rituals, including foods, listed in the Old Testament. The Old Law is STILL valid. The Mosaic Law can not be met by a human being. Paul explains this in his letters. God gave us the Mosaic law to CONDEMN us. We are STILL condemned by them to this day. Nothing has changed. However. Because of the love of God and the Love of Christ, Christ came to BE the ultimate sacrifice- and his is so worthy that it lasts forever and covers every sin- those we have already committed and those we will commit in the future. Thus, the cleanliness laws still apply- but have been fulfilled by Christ. We are still condemned- but Christ gave himself for our final and everlasting cleansing.

      So. It is not that I can’t answer your questions, Wynn. I don’t answer them sometimes because I suspect a heart that is hard. If I feel the person who poses such questions is uninterested in wisdom, I won’t take the time to write such an answer. But since you insist, I will. There ARE no contradictions. God NEVER changes. Both the Old and the New stand true to this day and forever more.

      • thank you so very much explaining from the goodness of your heart,but I find it difficult to pick and choose a particular verse to accommodate one views. as I wrote to you few times and ask about the
        wonderful job you do for Paul ,I had no other way for you to see what is wrong with the way you analyze and encircle the truth with a lie. and making this statement does not make you a bad person only confused in your biblical education,I just put this to you ,and then you can point each and every misinterpretation ,so please read the following article ,,
        “just give me the truth” Sherry Shriner and “does the bible say we can eat anything”
        If you are verse in Hebrew I can show you the explanation, or I can even do the Greek version and show you how words have been change to produce an aura righteousness.
        you can say anything you want about me not having understanding,simply because as simple person ,I don’t try to re step the dance ,, while is true that one control the words before speaking them,once the words are out the words now control you.
        I learn a lot from all , and again I thank you ,and I will always welcome your comments,
        right or wrong we both have to live to please our maker.
        many blessings to you ,hoping to read from you , Wynn

      • Wynn, I gave you the truth. There is no lie in it. I find that when people think they need to grab the Greek or Hebrew words to justify their points, they are the ones who love to be elite. They believe the bible knowledge is secret and known only to a few. You don’t speak Hebrew or Greek. But I speak Spanish. In fact, half my family only speaks Spanish! but I can ASSURE you that I can’t explain the bible in Spanish than I can in English. Know why? Because English is my mother language. I will bet you a million dollars that you have never lived in a second language. You have never truly spoken another language in your life except English. That is why you are under the rather silly notion that language can be interpreted on a word by word basis. Only language babies can think that. No. To speak another language is completely different than a word for word translation. Impossibly so. You must rearrange your mind and way of thinking about things. Phrases and idioms and metaphors and … well, everything.. is different. To believe that God somehow honors Greek or Aramaic or Hebrew above other languages is wrong headed. It implies that the ENTIRE WORLD must learn ancient languages to ‘truly understand’ the bible. Such arrogance! Guess what? God is bigger than language. And so is the meaning of the bible. The bible has been translated into Chinese and Swahili! And guess what? They get the EXACT same meaning that we get from it. The bible is a miracle. God made a miracle when he made the bible. So stop with the ol’ “I know better than you because I know a few Hebrew words!” It’s nonsense. And you can stop saying you respect and welcome other people’s thoughts while at the same time saying they are ‘confused’ or ‘lying’. Just knock it off, alright? No one can stand that kind of behavior.

  33. Hi…..I just found your blog. I’ve read this article. I am a Christian who has attended three Bible colleges and I have Pastored one church. I thank you for your bold thoughts expressed in the article. I wholly agree with them. God does hate both sin and unrepentant sinners. This isn’t popular but it is Biblical. Your thoughts show how we are to Fear our Holy God. I’m looking forward to reading more from you. Thank you and keep up the good work. ……Tim

    • Just wrote today about the bible. God is exactly what humans need and want to worship. By failing to read the Old Testament, people are missing out on knowing who God is- his personality and thoughts. I LOVE reading the Old Testament just to hear God say things like, “Come, let us reason together…” Imagine GOD asking us to reason with him. I LOVE God with all my heart! Those kinds of verses, spoken almost directly after his threats of imminent death and destruction really rip my heart to shreds. He is exactly what we need.

  34. If you are going to use those books you need to use all of them! So if you did not sacrifice when you sinned last (including not properly setting yourself aside during your period) than God hates you. I don’t believe that but it’s sad that you do. Not sacrificing is a sign of un-repentance in those books you were so happily quoting. God, even before there was any thing, has been working towards one goal for as many of us to be with him. Part of that plan was Jesus which brought love to the equation, something that only you are allowed because you are perfect, start throwing your stones (John 8:1-11). I agree that God is extremely angered and maybe to the point of hate, but you DON’T GET THAT RIGHT! I will be praying for you.

    • Taylor, you really have some problems with both your understanding of my article and with your understanding of the bible. First, you don’t understand how Christ came in fulfillment of all those rites and rituals the Jews pursued in order to atone for their sins. Christ is the final sacrifice. Thus, all rites and rituals concerning cleanliness and atonement for sins no longer must be followed by Christians. Christ’s blood is better than all the bull’s blood in the universe! So you first statement isn’t true. HOWEVER, that doesn’t mean Leviticus and the Old Testament no longer applies. Far be it! If that were so, then the Ten Commandments wouldn’t apply. All those rituals still apply, but we don’t need to do them because Christ is ALWAYS doing them, so to speak. The verses I quoted concerning what God considers to BE grievous sin are most certainly in effect to this day. Homosexuality included. You have greatly misunderstood this aspect of the Old vs. New Testaments.

      In addition, Christ told us exactly what marriage (and thus, sex) is: a holy covenant between a man and a woman. In that one statement, he defined what wholesome sex is- it is between the two sexes and only in marriage. Every other variety is wrong.

      As for me throwing stones, I don’t believe I have thrown any. You are just defensive because I believe you are probably a practicing homosexual. Am I right? So you feel like I am condemning you. But you are wrong. You are condemning you by your refusal to acknowledge God’s sovereignty in your life. You put your own understanding and desires above God’s. So you keep sinning and yet, want the closeness of God. You are the one who is unrepentent, not me. I repent daily. Hourly. by the minute. As for me being angered to the point of hate, I certainly don’t feel that way. I suppose I can get that way when I see a defenseless little baby laying in parts and pieces on a late abortion table. Yes, righteous anger consumes me then. But I don’t feel that in this article. I felt the need to write that article to wipe away the white washing of God’s word by the modern church. God’s word is God’s word. You can take them or leave them. I didn’t say them- I just revealed them and reminded everyone that they are there. You can’t discount them. I warn you and others because I love you and others. Without the full truth, you will die in your ignorance. You will die forever. But if you know the truth of God, you will have proper fear of him and of death. You will have the chance to repent of your sins before you die. Like the thief on the cross, perhaps you will repent right before you die. And then Jesus will remember you. However, if I did what all the molly coddling churches of today do, you will never understand the danger you are in. And you will just hum along and when death comes, you will not be properly afraid. And you will not seek forgiveness. And then you will die. Who cares more about you, Taylor? The new age church that lies to you or me, who tells you the truth and thus, gives you a better chance at trillions of years of beautiful life?

  35. Have you read john 3:16? ‘For God loved the world’ not hate ‘loved’ he sent his son Jesus to die for everybody. He doesn’t like the sin this is correct but He does love us -the sinners He proved that at the cross

    • Hi Steve, of course I know what John 3:16 says! I think you missed the entire point of this article. Perhaps I should have clarified. In fact, I just edited that article to do just that. I believe the modern church has become boring and irrelevant to people in the world. The reason for this is because mankind has decided that part of the bible and God’s personality is too ‘scary’ to attract people to church. I wholeheartedly disagree. Of course God loves us. But there is another side of God that is just as important- the righteous and angry God. He is needed in the hearts and minds of people as well as the soft words of love. God knows what he made- we are stubborn, prideful and hardhearted. God made the bible for us, not him. Every word in it is important, no, necessary for our overall health. To strip the message until it only speaks half of the bible is to do a very foolish and sinful thing- and the end result is empty pews and millions of uninterested people. We need ALL of God. We only respect a God who is exactly like our God described in the bible. Further, to not warn people about God’s anger is to sin against God. Churches today are sinning against God by denying the people the full truth of God. That is why I write so passionately. I want to wake people up. I want to stun them. I want to shake them up. I want them to read the scripture I included here and know, without a doubt, that they have been lied to in churches. I want them to verify my claims here by opening up their bibles and READ it. He can hate people. David said it was righteous of himself to hate evil people. Evil is real- and some people truly embrace it. Those are hated by God. They are not many- most of us, he yearns to redeem. But some he hardens so that they will die. God is a fearful God. We can not question his wisdom. My heart is in the right place here, Steve.

    • Jesus did not die for everybody. He died for His chosen people: the “many” as quoted in the Bible, those who believe (and belief itself is from God and not from ourselves). Read the Bible, don’t take things out of context. And before you try to reply, once again, read the Bible, there are well over 100 verses that back up the fact that God chooses His people, and not everyone is saved (this is apparent). This is a controversial claim yes, but that’s only because the truth has been twisted over the years. That said, we don’t know who His chosen are so we are called to make DISCIPLES of others. Just clarifying. And he does hate the sinner, but He has enough mercy to keep you alive and enjoy what He has given. He does as He pleases, may the fear of God be known.

      • Hi Truth, well, I see where you are coming from. It does say that God calls us first. That he chooses his own and teaches them- and only through God can we receive Christ. And only through Christ can we receive God. These statements are all in various parts of the bible. However, God also said that he would rather that all be saved. He tells us to go out and warn people from their sin so that they can also be saved. Christ told us to go out to tell the good news to those who haven’t heard it yet. God is patient and kind. He gives many days to the wicked as well as to the righteous- each day is a gift from him to them so that they might have yet one more opportunity to find him. We bring our own destruction. We need to have wisdom when we read the bible. God wishes for all of us to be saved. Thus, he wished for Christ to die for all of us. HOWEVER, we can lose God’s good grace by living a life that is horrible to him- by denying his existence, by worshiping pagan idols and by constant debauchery. We don’t know in what order God feels these things. Perhaps he calls us all at birth, but eventually resigns himself to the truly evil person’s lost soul. He is a righteous judge, that is for sure. His patience, though very great, does have limits. But for our own selves, I believe it to be wiser to say that Christ died for all. Let God himself be the one who will determine which he will turn away. Let us be welcoming to all who would come.

  36. Thanks for this been struggling with my Christianity to find the right path in his kingdom and the hardness of the heart when i turn away makes me weep in tears.. I have read all of this even the comments and I support the truth which you are preaching of 100 % my church is more mushy gushy and i almost fell into it too, the fear of god does need obedience out right and true relationship with god. its hard to find people that walk and talk about the christian faith like you do. I thank you for this and i pray god break our harden hearts definitely mine..and is welcomed back with open arms and forgiveness true forgiveness that does come with repentance this means so much if you have a Facebook that would be great 🙂 as i don’t use this site or others like twitter god bless. P.S Facebook account Austin Barbour. lives in Marshfield Missouri

  37. I know no one will see this but I want you to. You’re a haughty snotty little bastard. How’s the thin rarified air up in your stratosphere professor?

  38. Short Little Rebel, the following is meant to encourage you and praise God, the Father, for the calling upon your life. I love and bless you in Jesus Christ Name, Amen.

    1 Corinthians 1:18-31 New King James Version
    18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
    20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? [Where is the disputer of this age?] Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
    21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
    22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
    23 But we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks[b] foolishness,
    24 But to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
    25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
    27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
    28 And the base things of the world and the things which are despised – God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
    29 That no flesh should glory in His presence.
    30 But of Him (God Our Father) you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption
    31 That, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

    1 Corinthians 2:14
    But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

  39. I could never worship a God that “hates’ anyone.
    I could never worship a God that plays favorites among His children.
    I could never be part of a group of worshipers who try to separate God from his creations by distorting “dominion over the earth’ to justify trashing the planet,and killing his living masterpieces for fun and profit.
    Jesus was NOT a Christian,and he never meant to create a new religion around himself,but to reform Judaism.
    Furthermore God is not religious. If He was,there would be only one religion allowed HIS!!
    I have no use for the modern “Christians” who distort scripture to fit a political agenda. Religion has no business dabbling in politics.
    It seems to me that you have created GOD into your image of what you think He should be. Hateful,narrow minded,reactionary,bigoted.

    • Well, Jake, I will bet you a million dollars that you didn’t worship God before you learned that he ‘hated’ some kinds of people. so, this article doesn’t change much for you. I wrote this article for one reason. And that was to scare people like you into realizing that churches today are not telling you the full truth about God. He is also a just and mighty God. Not just a loving and forgiving one. Those who truly anger him will burn in hell. And as long as you hold this attitude, you will be one of them. As to your thoughts concerning Christ, what can you possibly know about him? You haven’t read the bible. Your statements hold some truth, but your conclusions are absurd. Jesus was not a Christian- of course he wasn’t- he IS the Christ! He didn’t create a new religion, true! Christianity is NOT a religion, it is the simple TRUTH of existence. God is not religious, true! However, there is only way to God and that is through his son, Jesus. Jesus did ‘reform’ Judaism, but not how you believe. He came to offer a new covenant to replace the old covenant. The old covenant was the Law. He offered the New Covenant which was himself- HE would be the final and ultimate sacrifice that would be sufficient for all men’s sin for all time thus releasing all of mankind from the legal requirements of sacrificing animals and grain for the atonement of sins forevermore. The reason he did this was because of God’s ultimate LOVE of mankind, not because we deserved it in any way. God knew we could never sacrifice enough to keep up with our sins and thus, we were always condemned to die. So he sent Jesus to die for our sins. It was the new ‘deal’, not a ‘reformation’ of Judaism. AND it was not only for Jews. It was a ‘deal’ that was now offered to all men- Jews and Gentiles alike. So, your conclusion is way off base there. As to ‘modern’ Christians thinking God involves himself in politics, the bible makes it CLEAR that God has always involved himself in politics- from the Babylonian invasion of Israel to the Holocaust to predictions of Israel’s reformation in 1948. ALL of it is in the bible and initiated by God. So, that isn’t something dreamed up by modern Christians, it is an ancient idea dreamed up by God himself and recorded over 3,000 years ago. As to me creating God in my image, it is clear you are confused. That is easy to do. God created us in HIS image. That is why we think alike.

      • you have said a mouth full of truth, for the same reason, someone will twist every aspect of the biblical word…

  40. I believe God both loves and hates the sinner. The Scriptures you mention show His hatred, and Romans 5:8 shows His love: “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” What do these Scriptures mean in light of one another? I believe they show us that God hates what the sinner currently is but loves what the sinner can become through the Salvation of God Jesus Christ. The crowd who heard Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost were pricked in their heart because Peter showed them their sin, as a good preacher will, and yet he offered them the solution, as a good preacher will also do. Act 2:37-39 “37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” To focus only on God’s love keeps the sinners from seeing their need for the Savior; to focus only on God’s hatred keeps the sinners from seeing the solution to their need. Most people err on the side of love, and some on the side of hate, but it takes both sides of the equation to be a truly effective witness.

    • Indeed. I think I write these types of articles because the American church has gotten to the point of complete falsehood about God. They don’t just tell about the joy- they lie about what kind of joy you will receive on this earth. It isn’t a constant bliss, itsn’t necessarily wealth (in fact, it probably isn’t wealth), it isn’t laughing all the time or smiling all the time. It’s more like a delightful spice that is peppered throughout our existence- a reminder of what awaits us when we die. We couldn’t handle the true joy of God- it is more than our minds or body could sustain. I’m quite sure of that, having experienced the blinding joy of God for moments almost too long for me to handle. But American Christians believe that we should always be happy and that God will always protect us from harm. No such thing! We aren’t to RECEIVE, but to give. God will give when he gives- we are not to sit and await his gifts. Our minds shouldn’t even be on what he gives. We should be busy in his work when his gift comes. It should come unexpectedly and surprise us as we labor for him. Too many Americans are like entitled children in how they have been taught in church. That is why I write as I do. I am trying to shock them back into reality. I want to show them true scripture instead of the false and satanic platitude of doctrine. God is someone to first fear. Then we can relax in him. But if we lack fear in him, we had better not relax because we are surely offending him. Then our relaxation itself is the offense. I don’t write in this manner because I fail to see the joy of living a Christian life. I write in this manner because too few tell the full truth of God. I suppose some might misinterpret me as a person and think I only think on the harshness of the Christian life- but it isn’t so. I live in joy most of the time. I figure that most people have already heard the ‘good news’ and the ‘lovey dovey’ side of God ad nauseum. Therefore, I am here to provide the other side, the fearful side. The world needs balance.

  41. I’m young, but I wanted to ask something. I’m a Christian and I love Jesus and God. It’s just I’m struggling with my friend and she yells at me when I talk about Jesus. I love her as a friend, but she can be very mean to me. She tells me what to do and doesn’t listen. She told me that she one day she thought that all of the books and stories in the bible were fake. She also told me the reason behind it. Her uncle had died of cancer at the age of 64, and that her moms best friend died in a car crash at the age of 26. She said that she doesn’t want to become a Christian and die at a young age. I think that there is more behind it, but I just don’t know what. (I know this has nothing to do with the article that you wrote, which by the way was really good, but I thought that you could help me with what you know.) Can you please help me at all?

    • Hi TayLee, Yes, I think I can help you. This reaction is very, very common. It is satanic in origin. This is the very first thing you must understand. Loving Jesus is the most UNCOOL thing a person could do. I love to joke with my friends, “Know the fastest way to clear a dinner party? Just say, “I just LOVE Jesus, don’t you?!” lol! I say, “In approximately 5 minutes, you will be standing alone with your martini!” haha! And it is sooooo true. Absolutely ANYTHING is fit conversation at a dinner party except the love of Christ. I could have said, “I detest Jesus” and no one would leave. I could have said, “I love Allah! I’m a Wicca Witch! I think Shebah is Way Cool! Isn’t that Buddah Belly sexy? I just love to rub it!” and people would giggle and invite me again for being oh, so witty. But love of Christ is just too controversial in a country that attempts to shovel ‘tolerance’ of everything else down our throats. Here is the saddest reality of all, TayLee: we are in the end days. Jesus warned us of these days. He said, : “22You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” He literally meant that the world would hate his NAME. The bible often talks about the power of his ‘name’. There is literally power in the ‘name’ of Christ. Just saying Jesus’ name upsets people. Haven’t you ever noticed that? Just saying, “Jesus’, makes people fidget!! To me, that is bonafide PROOF of his existence and his power. Say, “Buddha!” and watch people. Do they shiver? Do they shake? No! lol. Scream, “Muhammad!” “allah! Do they get upset? Say “Molek!” Say, ” Shivah!” Nothing but blank stares. But say, “Jesus” and watch the anger begin. People are always asking for proof of his reality. I say, Your reaction always gives me proof of his reality. No one gets angry over something they know is fake. People only get upset over things they know are real. God said in the bible, “”This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” in Hebrews. They KNOW God but hate that they know him. They hope that if they can just silence us Christians, they can someday forget him. But they can’t because it wasn’t us who made them believe- it was God himself. They could kill us all and they would still believe. TayLee, there is no such thing as an atheist. God himself has told us that. Your friend ALREADY knows who Jesus and God are. She is in REJECTION of him. So, your first step to approaching her is to understand that she knows who God is and she already knows who Christ is. You do not need to convince her of this. You need to understand that SATAN has used the culture around her to give her an easy excuse to reject them. Why? Because most of America has also rejected God and Christ too. Thus, there is no social stigma for her to reject them too. In fact, the social stigma is now on YOU. You are now the one who will suffer for your beliefs. Haven’t you begun to notice that at school?

      If you read my blog, you will notice something that brings me A LOT of criticism from many Christians- they say I am too hard on weak Christians or so-called atheists. They say that I don’t speak of the love of Christ enough. They are right of course. But I have a reason. I have a strategy. I think I know WHY the American church is failing. It is because it no longer speaks the FULL truth about God. It ONLY speaks of the love of God. It doesn’t speak about the FEAR of God. Meanwhile, Solomon, whom God himself set up as the wisest man that will EVER live on earth, stated that the BEGINNING of wisdom is the FEAR of God. Jesus, who of course is more than mere man, told us straight out to FEAR God. Then, he told us what loving God meant- that is, to OBEY him. To love God is to Obey him. But the American church would show us a begging Jesus, always knocking meekly at our heart doors. It makes me angry to hear this message! No wonder stubborn mankind tosses Jesus to the side! What soldier would follow such a milquetoast leader as that??? right? No. God is a fearful God who demands respect first- then he is kind. We have lied about his nature. Your friend has not heard the truth about God. She had NO IDEA she is going to die a permanent death and she has no idea that she may very well be heading to hell, a truly terrible place. She doesn’t realize that her disrespectful attitude toward God, her Maker and judge, will have no pity whatsoever on her. She will not get a chance to explain herself and will be held accountable. That is why I try so hard to tell people the TRUTH about God in my blog. I would rather they think I am mean and THINK about their relationship with their God than to try to beg them to accept their king and allow them to blithely go to their death. That is why I write so much about the fear of God. American churches have already talked of the love too much. I am trying to give the counter point.

      As to your friend. In the book of Ezekiel, God EXPRESSLY told each one of us that we MUST warn our brother that they will die for their sins. Thus, you must warn your friend. That is your duty, no matter how young you are. It is good and right to first tell her about the love of Christ. Yes, do tell her that first. Tell her that Christ offers us life. But also tell her that God is not a beggar. I want you to read an article I wrote that explains WHY we love and thank Christ first. THAT is what you need to explain to her first. THEN you need to tell her about the Respect she owes to God in return. After that, your job is done, my young friend. After that, Jesus tells us to move on to others who need our witness. The harvest is ripe but there are not enough workers. There are MANY others who need to hear the same message, my dear. If, after you deliver the GOOD NEWS and the important WARNING, she doesn’t repent, then she becomes a ‘swine’. That is another article I want you to read. So, here are the articles:


      What Does It Mean That Jesus Died For Me?

      Here’s Another Shocker: There Really Are Swine!

  42. “only a few will make it to Heaven”???? You are mistaken. For it is written…. I saw a great number; as the sands of the sea…..

    No. Every soul who sincerely names the name of Christ and is washed by the blood of the Lamb will go there. And you can be sure He knows every one by name. Multitudes, a heavenly host. I’m not going to give the scripture references. You can do that. But again, you are just plain wrong on that statement.

    • Allen, indeed, the bible in the book of Revelation does say ‘multitudes’. But these multitudes are still the few among the billions whom have passed over the earth. Jesus made it very clear that the path to hell is WELL PAVED and that most are on it. The path to heaven is hidden and that VERY FEW are on it. Thus, when we balance Christ’s words ‘very few’ with Revelations ‘multitudes’, the meaning is clear. Most will not make it but those who will make it will still be multitudes. One has to consider that millions are a multitude but billions going to hell are still the most. Not a difficult thing to understand. Not sure how I am ‘again’ wrong.

  43. Too often God is seen only as a Loving God who will over look the sin of his people and forgive at the drop of the hat rather we truly repent or not . Not so ! .. He is a loving God but also a just God and judgement and displine to his own are factors of his nature . The church has presented a picture of the old man upstairs who just allows us to live our lives our own way and have no fear of him . But we are sadly mistaken .. That’s not the God of the Bible .. Yes ..he is a loving and just God .. But he is also a God of holiness … Be Holy for Iam Holy .. To present God any other way is to defame his character and most churches like Word of Faith Churches bring God down to mans level rather then us striving to be more Christ like …. It is still Satans old lie he used to Eve in the Garden that if you eat of the fruit .you too will be like God … That’s why people these days can sit in churches 30 years and never truly know or worship our Lord and Savior .. They are satisfied with having their ears tickled and nerves calmed with God is Love sermons with out repentance and conviction …

    • Hi Gene, indeed! And ironically, that is also why churches fail. People are BORED with this false image of God. Think of every hero of our culture. Are they mamsy-pamsies? No. They are strong, fierce, powerful. Mankind is stubborn and needs correction. Sometimes we need a beating. We know that. We don’t have respect for the bespeckled bookish effeminate she-man, do we? While those in the leadership of churches believe that people will run from the biblical God, they are actually creating the very thing they trying to avoid. When man thinks he is smarter than the God who created him, he always ends up in trouble. God knows who he is. He created man. Man needs the one who created him. Exactly as he is. Obviously. If pastors taught who God proclaims himself to be, people would flock to church. We all have a God shaped hole in our souls. We naturally crave him in our lives. Pastors need to stop thinking and need to start telling the truth. THAT is how to create a thriving church.

  44. Who do you believe said that, “love the sinner, hate the sin” is actual biblical scripture? It is a basic Christian belief! The bible tells us to love ALL of God’s children; we know ALL are sinners! So “we love the sinners” … IF …. they want to live in Christ! God’s innate powers and knowledge provided HIM with insight into our souls; it angered Christ when he learned that some refused to change their ways or accept his love! We do not have his insight; thus he expects us to teach with patience and/or role model HIS behavior! The bible reminds us not to keep company with a “fool”, as it puts our own soul at risk … when … the “company” makes it clear they will not accept Christ! We love sinners, love the fact that they love Christ, and show our patience as their spiritual growth evolves! It takes time! We are not to judge … unless it is through gentle teaching or Christ-like role modeling!
    The bible reminds us we must be patient, because spiritual growth takes time!
    Love the sinner, hate the sin! We do not have the right to change scripture, regardless of the “times we live in”!

    • Hi Mary. ‘Love the sinner, hate the sin’ isn’t basic Christian belief. It is a phrase is that crept into Christian thought and doctrine and one that I reject as a completely false and anti-biblical philosophy. It doesn’t emulate God or Christ at all. We are sinners. God loves us and yes, we are to love one another. Yes, we hate sin. But when put together, it becomes flippant and casual. ‘Judge not’ as you just stated, also becomes flippant and casual. It also becomes unbiblical in meaning. One must not only look at the words, but at the application of the phrases. When people say, “Love the sinner, hate the sin” they are usually trying to excuse something like homosexuality in today’s churches. Or they are trying to excuse some other kind of sin in someone else- or even in themselves. Why else do people so love this phrase? It has become the excuse of the millennium. Ditto for ‘Judge not.’ As I wrote in this article, God most certainly hate certain kinds of sinners. In the book of Revelation, Jesus is seen to say that he hates a certain kind of follower and he is extremely harsh talking about Jezebel and a church’s acceptance of her within their ranks. She is representative of sexual immorality. Because they accepted her in that church, he was about to cut that church off and throw them into the fire of death. That is NOT loving the sinner and hating the sin. That was not ‘judging not.’ If we were to follow Jesus in that example, we would kick out of our churches all the people who were living together outside of wedlock, all the divorced people who divorced for unsound reasons and remarried, homosexuals and adulterers, right? And yet, we don’t. And Revelation says that Christ is angry at us for failing to do so. God has very little patience for sin and for those who refuse to repent of it. When David sinned by killing Uriel in order to have sex with his wife, God made David’s life a living hell for the rest of his life. He told David he would never have a peaceful home life. And he didn’t. His own sons turned against him. They tried to kill him and take his throne. David had to chase them down with his army- his army ended up killing Absalom. David was extremely grieved. God not only hates the sin, but he can be extremely angry with us, the sinner. I simply detest that phrase for how it is applied in the church today. You say, “We are not to judge”. Mary, you need to read your bible. We most certainly are to judge. But we are to judge wisely. Christ was fierce at times. He was fearless in the face of politicians. John the Baptist would be the guy who stood up in the middle of a presidential speech and would point his finger at the president on live t.v. and scream, “You lied about Benghazi, President Obama! God knows all about you! Jesus is returning soon and you will pay for what you have done! etc, etc.” And armed guards would escort him from the room. And yet, Jesus tells us that there is no one greater than John. So, if emulating Jesus is to praise John, then being a patient little lamb who tolerates sinners is what you are talking about, then you are wrong! John screamed in the middle of the street for everyone to hear that Herod was sinning because he was having sex with his brother’s wife! That is why he got his head chopped off. Jesus told the political leaders, in front of everyone (today, that would be in front of cameras on prime time t.v.) that they were hypocrites and liars. He out debated them and made them look tongue tied and completely foolish in front of the very people they were trying so hard to impress. That is why they wanted to kill him. He had made a complete fool of them in front of everyone- right in the Temple. He was not a peaceful lamb tolerant of sinners. Furthermore, do you not remember the whip and the turning over of tables at the Temple? Tolerant of sin and sinners? I think not. Jesus also said, “Do not think that I came to bring peace. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring division.” He knew that he would cause trouble among friends and family. He didn’t come to bring peace. We must judge and we must choose. You can’t choose if you can’t judge.

      Mary, you might not like what I am saying, but what I am saying is true. That phrase is not biblical- it is merely a catchy phrase. So is ‘judge not’. That is only a fragment of a sentence from Jesus. It is not even the whole sentence. Further, it is taken far out of context. One just read it IN context. One must also read ALL of Christ’s words. One must read the entire bible. Then one can begin to attain wisdom. And that, only after one prays for wisdom and understanding from God. We need to pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten us as we read. Simply parroting, “Judge not” is not true. We must judge so that we can determine right vs. wrong. We must judge in order to help our brothers and sisters in need. We are not to stand IN judgment of others as if we are better than them- that is a different kind of judgment. These phrases have become the excuses of the millennium. It is not I who is changing scripture, that’s for sure!

  45. Of course, I have to disagree with you.
    Originally God’s salvation plan was just for the Jews. That means all non-Jews were to be hated. But after the Jews turned their back on God he scattered them and opened salvation to everyone who accepted the savior He sent. This means God opened His heart, His love to everyone. This is when He loved the sinner and hated sin. By offering salvation to everyone He is showing His love for all.
    “For God so loved the world that he gave his only son. That whosoever believes on him shall not parish, but have everlasting life.”
    So you see, He loves everyone including sinners, because we are all sinners. We are all now equal with the Jews in that we all have a chance for that salvation.
    If you teach anything else you will end up teaching others to hate sinners, when decade call sinners. Born into sin, inherited sin because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. It’s all in Genesis and throughout the new testament.
    Please don’t mislead the children of God into false beliefs. It isn’t God who is stopping anyone from salvation. It is us. God gave all of us the same choice. The same options. To believe or not to believe in Jesus Christ, and follow him and his teachings. He came to lead sinners to the Father.

    • Hi Brian, it’s ok for you to disagree with me. But you can’t disagree with the Bible. Also, the Bible makes it clear that God never changes. Ever. In addition, nowhere in the Bible does it say that God’s plan for salvation was ever only for the Jews. That is a plain falsehood. In fact, when God spoke to Abraham, he made it clear that the covenant he made with Abraham would result in a blessing (Jesus) for ALL mankind. God fully intended, from the very beginning, to save all mankind from himself. God’s plan, from Adam, was to create fully matured human beings for his own Children, to live with him forever in heaven. He didn’t change his mind about only saving the Jews just because they turned their backs on him. That would presuppose that God didn’t see that coming- which would presuppose that God is limited in his ability to see the future- which, of course, would mean that he is not God. God foresaw all of this before he spoke it into existence. He fully intended it all to happen before he began. All of this is part of his plan for all of humanity. Otherwise, you are saying God made a mistake and then changed his mind. No. Impossible. God does hate. But not often. He mostly loves. My intention for this article is not to teach hate. It is to dispel the weak minded doctrine of today’s churches that would immasculate God. Today’s doctrine would take the most important aspect of worshipping God out of church- FEAR of God. Yet, Solomon told us plainly that fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. We can’t begin to have wisdom without it. Without a proper fear, there is no respect. Without respect, there is no love. Without love, we fail to obey the first and most important commandment. Satan has infiltrated today’s church. Platitudes like, “love the sinner, hate the sin” have been used to destroy the core of proper worship- fear of the Lord. That is why I fight against it. I am not trying to destroy the love of God. Of course not. But I am trying to shake up the church and bring back a proper alignment. To create the proper conversation. God never changes. He is STILL a fearful, mighty God. Your understanding is untrue and false. It is completely unbacked by scripture. It is 100% false doctrine and you couldn’t find any scripture to back in if your life depended on it. I challenge you to find any scripture that supports the following ideas:

      1) God’s original plan of salvation was only for the Jews.
      2) All non Jews were to be hated.
      3) After the Jews turned their backs on God, he scattered them and opened salvation to everyone who accepted the savior he sent.
      4) We are all now equal to the Jews in that we all have a chance for that salvation.

      None of this is accurate. None is biblical. Some of this happened, but not for the reasons you stated. Example, the Jews were scattered- but they were destroyed as a nation over 500 years before Christ came into the picture. God had already sent the Assyrians and Babylonians to destroy them and their king because of their idol worship. They were already scattered when Jesus came. They were already fully occupied. The Romans were simply the latest occupiers. The Romans didn’t fully destroy Jeruselem until 70 AD, well after Jesus ascended to Heaven. There is no direct correlation between the sacking and ultimately the scattering of the Jews and the ultimate salvation of all mankind. They are two separate stories. Thus, God sending Jesus to save all mankind had nothing to do with punishing the Jews for turning their backs on him or for him ‘changing his mind’ in some way about his ‘original salvation plan’. God sent Jesus to save the entire world as he had intended from the very beginning. The Bible makes this clear from the very beginning of the Bible- as I said, God told Abraham that the entire world, not just the Jews, would be blessed through him (meaning Jesus). This makes his intention clear from the very beginning. God does punish the Jews for their lack of loyalty and love- but this is not why he sent Jesus to save both Gentile and Jew. You need to read your Bible more closely.

      Never in the Bible are all non-Jews to be hated. The examples I gave you are all directed at Jews who behaved in those vile ways.

      You say we are all now equal to the Jews because we can get the same salvation. That is just so convoluted. We are equal to the Jews- but not because we can get the same salvation. First, they never had this salvation before we had it. It came fresh and new with Jesus. Thus, this can’t be the reason why are now equal! They got it at the exact same time as we got it. The difference between them and us before Christ is that they had a special covenant, through Abraham, and we didn’t. Jesus created a new covenant which included all mankind. Jesus equated all mankind by calling us all ‘brothers & sisters & mother & father’ because we obey the will of God. He basically adopted us all into his family. He raised us all up. But this has nothing to do with Jew vs. Gentile. It has to do with obedience or non- obedience. The Bible doesn’t support the idea that the Jews had some special form of salvation before Jesus. They got it when we got it. Thus, us getting salvation with Christ is not what makes us equal to Jews. What makes us equal to Jews is that we are now in covenant with God- in fact, we are higher than the Jews in that we are Children of God. If a Jew will not accept Christ as their Messiah, then they will not see God at all.

  46. I understand what you’re saying but just because people don’t apply the truth well, doesn’t mean it is any less true. Jesus has called us to love so we love and hate evil so we hate evil. Therefore we love sinners and hate sin. Yes God is to be feared, but provides Jesus to show his love. The whole bible paints a picture of God as a JUST and LOVING God. For the most part the Old Testament was used in this article to describe God but the New Testament reveals the mystery hidden in the Old Testament Jesus. Jesus did not approve of the adultery of the women or the tax collector praying but he still loved them. And we are most definitely to share that message with gentleness. (1 Peter 3:15)
    I get it, we need to provide a complete scope of who God is(as much as possible) I like “Consider this, you who forget God, or I will tear you to pieces, with no one to rescue you: (‭Psalm‬ ‭50‬:‭22‬ NIV) but that’s only a part of who He is. He is still loving because He is love.

    All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We were once in darkness as well so we should share the truth yes, but in love with gentleness.

    One thing you said really bothered me, “if the sin is great enough God hates the sinner too.”
    What constitutes great enough? One sin is enough to damn us to Hell for a holy pure God.

    • You said: “I understand what you’re saying but just because people don’t apply the truth well, doesn’t mean it is any less true. Jesus has called us to love so we love and hate evil so we hate evil. Therefore we love sinners and hate sin. Yes God is to be feared, but provides Jesus to show his love. The whole bible paints a picture of God as a JUST and LOVING God. For the most part the Old Testament was used in this article to describe God but the New Testament reveals the mystery hidden in the Old Testament Jesus. ”

      You also asked, “What constitutes great enough?” The response is very simple: God decides that for himself what is enough. As he himself describes in the bible- he gets to make the pots (us) for whatever purpose he chooses, such is his complete sovereignty over us. Yes, he can make one of us for the purpose of destruction if he chooses and one for great works if he chooses- one for sticking a bunch of old paint brushes into and another to proudly display in the middle of the room as artwork! What do you think of those verses? Are they not offensive to the American mindset? Are they fair? Not in human eyes, that is for sure! In human eyes and judgment, that is HORRIBLE for God to do! One person is born for destruction and another is born for greatness? But God is truly that sovereign. Modern people just don’t like what the Old Testament says about God. And neither do you. That is exactly what modern churches don’t ‘mention’ those parts of the Bible anymore. They KNOW it will offend people today. Most people ‘deal’ with these passages by attempting to rationalize it the way you are trying to do- by saying that somehow Jesus made it all ‘go away’ somehow. That Christ somehow erased that nasty ‘old’ God and all that described his ‘old’ personality in the ‘Old’ Testament. I have heard it all- “We are under a NEW covenant! None of that matters anymore!” “The Old Testament doesn’t apply anymore, Susan! Don’t you know that!” The trouble is this: none of these people have ever read the Bible! I challenge them with this, “Where is the verse or verses that say that Christ negated God’s personality or the verses that describe his commands or feelings?” They or you can’t find them! You can find verses that say Jesus is LOVE and that God is LOVE- but the Old Testament ALSO says that God is love too! He is great love. But his love is tempered greatly with his desire and indeed, his command for fear and respect FIRST. What these very same people don’t seem to know (because they don’t read the Bible) is that Jesus, himself, commanded us to FEAR God first. Jesus, in fact, told us in no uncertain terms, that he did not come to wipe away the Old Testament- that he came to FULFILL every word of it. That not one word of it was wiped away. Thus, he confirmed every word of it, including God’s personality and commands. Further, Jesus showed his own fury at the Temple when he overthrew all the money changers. He also showed his fury toward the earth and all the evil doers in the Book of Revelation- he clearly describes how he will personally ride in and kill human beings until the blood flows up to a horses flanks. Is that not the same Jesus who gently healed the needy with the Apostles? Jesus, of course, is God’s greatest expression of love to this world, but he does not negate God’s personality- he mirrors God completely. All that was said of him in the Old Testament is still true, whether or not you can handle it. Many of today’s Christians can’t handle it. But it is true. God is THE King. He gets to decide what he hates or loves. And he does hate. The bible confirms this in the verses I brought to you. You can choose to ignore them- but they didn’t come from me- they came from the mouth of God. He wrote the bible, not me.

      You also said, ” Jesus did not approve of the adultery of the women or the tax collector praying but he still loved them. And we are most definitely to share that message with gentleness. (1 Peter 3:15)….All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We were once in darkness as well so we should share the truth yes, but in love with gentleness.”

      All your reasoning is false and is human reasoning. It is not backed by scripture. You use scripture but not to support the idea that God’s personality or opinion has been changed. You use scripture simply to assert that God is about love and that we should speak in love. Should we speak in love? Yeeeeesss… but what has that got to do with God’s personality? Who said he wasn’t also love?

      Listen, I am not saying that God isn’t love. I am not saying that God is not MOSTLY love. I am saying that ALL of the bible is true. You can’t just take out what you don’t like. You must read it ALL and believe it all. I am saying that modern churches have utterly FAILED to teach the full truth about God. And this has led to a great falling away of believers. And I am saying that I can understand WHY the people have fallen away. The God that the modern church has lied about is BORING and IRRELEVANT to human beings. He could command no one into battle. Who would follow him? Not I! The True God, Our God, The Only God, is Fearsome, Mighty, Holy, Terrible, Loving, Kind, Amazing, Awesome, Amazing, All Powerful. To ignore him is stupid. To laugh at him is death. People need the truth about him. They would respect and love the Truth. Instead, we feed the people a milquetoast lie. It makes me cry inside. And I am sure that it angers God a great deal. I will not water down who God truly is for the sake of offended feelings. Americans love their pride and independence and their sense of ‘fairness’. God doesn’t care about our feelings. He is our king and he will do as he wills. He is God. And all that he says about himself in the bible is true. And if that frightens you, that is a good thing. For, as Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived and who will ever live once said, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

  47. I Like you a lot “short little rebel”!!! These truths are not popular, but they are indeed truths!! I have had debates about this subject many times reminding people at the judgement PEOPLE will be thrown into the lake of fire not “sins”. To GOD they are one in the same, without the blood of Christ covering us He will only see the sin. You are right on point with your wisdom that is a gift given to you by the Holy Spirit!! You are what I would call a watchman, speaking truth to those with ears to hear!!

    • Thanks, Tami. I’m afraid that I have become rather unpopular because of this blog. I will never get a job again, that is for sure. Not with internet searches they do today. But that’s ok. I like to write and I like to tell the truth as I see it. I try my best to be biblically sound. I’m glad that you enjoyed the article.

  48. God is righteous. It was not His will that sin be a part of our lives, but, since the fall, we have a choice. God does not create one man for sin & another for His righteousness- men CHOOSE their path. Jesus is the path of life. How can one get on that path? By admitting his sin ( we all are sinners), believing that Jesus died for my sin, but God raised Him up. Faith is believing. Faith IS righteousness. The truth that too few see is that they only need Jesus, who clothes us in HIS righteousness. When we humble ourselves,& take on Jesus rainment of righteousness, when we realize what has been given to us, that God is full of grace & love,we don’t hide from Him but we seek His face. When you seek God,we are promised to find Him. That is what the church is missing. We still look to ourselves for our righteousness instead of looking to Jesus. God cannot tolerate sin, but even in the Old Testament, God looked for those who could stand so He could show mercy (Is. 59:16, Ezekiel 22:30). Rahab was not only a Gentile but a prostitute who was Boaz’s mom( which we know had Jesse, who had David). It is not Gods will that any should perish, yet many CHOOSE death. God is life.All good come from God.

    • Hi Andrea, it is true that God would not have it that any should perish. Yet at the same time, those other verses are also true. He can indeed make a pot for the fire. Look at Hitler. I do believe that God make some pots for the purposes of death and damnation. They were never meant for heaven- they were meant to fulfill his holy purposes. I think that makes complete sense in light of both passages existing in the Bible, biblical prophecy and God’s proclaimed intentions, love and purpose for the world. I think the vast majority of us are made to be his children and are given free choice in the exact way you describe. I don’t ascribe to the Calvinist idea that people are fated to be saved or not saved. But I do think that God knows his Children who will be long before they are. He is above and beyond time. It has no hold over him. It isn’t pre-destination- it is simple knowledge- and yet, it is still freedom of choice for us.

  49. Short little Rebel!!!! I love this, was looking for an article I read years ago, title “Better than God” and this blog post came up, Praise God!… I can use the link to say what I know without having to write it as I am not so good at writing any more. Thank you very much for speaking the truth!

  50. I’ve wondered for the past 15 years or so, if the church is to be salt and light and if there is a time for everything and if we are to know them by their fruits, why then is the church so silent about the exponential increase in wickedness and threats that are circling outside our doors everyday? Why has society become so uncivilized and wicked? Why won’t church leadership protect and warn their flocks the way a true shepard would?
    I left one particular church because I never once heard the pastor rise up and speak against a host of issues that have threatened America. Then recently a few polls were conducted of a large amount of so called christians and christian leadership which explained it,.. 90% of church leadership said they never spoke on contoversial moral or political issues because they feared parishoners would not give their tithe or would leave the church. It’s no wonder homosexuals are welcome in many churches without ever being told they are living a life that God calls an abomination,..without ever being told their lifestyle is a particularly grevious sin to God. Wonder no more why mega church pastors proudly proclaim along with their wives they would attend a gay wedding. Wonder no more how famous pastors could say people of all religions could go to heaven. Wonder no more why 70% percent of church members said other religions were just as true and viable as Christianity. Jesus is the only way to the Father??,..not anymore!
    I recently conversed with a homosexual for over a week that was supporting gay marriage. He told me he was a christian and has been with another man for over 20 years. He told me I had no right judging him because his church never once judged him and gave me scripture like “love your neighbor as yourself”. I gave him numerous scriptures from the bible showing God calls it a wicked sin. He responded that God created him that way and the bible could NOT be trusted as it was written by man not God. I asked him if he had ever been saved by God,.. he responded with “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God” I then asked what God had saved him FROM. He never responded back,..cut me off.
    That got me pondering what true love is and whether or not the church had intentionally hidden some of the attributes of love and why I and many others sense something has seriously gone missing in the modern church..
    I wondered how could I love my neigbor if he was a known unrepentant and proud disrepectful violent brute or pedophile, rapist or homosexual who’s lifestyles were solid evidence they hated God,… and,.. me? I wondered if God ever hated anyone and if so why had the church never said so,..you know,”God is love” and all that.
    Was the Holy spirit in me prodding me to look into this,..or was it something more sinister? I realized the signs of the times prove prophecy is unfolding before our eyes but has the church become ‘apostate” and complicit in any of this?
    Was my disgust with the presidente’ of America and his seemingly anti-christian policy unfounded?
    Was my verbal warning to others of the destruction of America and the escalating threats to this country and the family simply judgmental fear mongering?
    Was I simply out of touch?

    Then I found the following excellent articles about “Hating the Haters of God” & “Love & Hate Thy Neighbor”.
    They back up your article 100% and confirm my (and your) ever increasing concern for the church, the family and this once great country.
    You are a true ‘little’ watchman on the wall,..keep it up!
    “The condition upon which God hath given man liberty is eternal vigilance.”
    P.S. Here’s an excellent site that should be part of any thinking Christian’s favorites. I understand it was originally set up to help with homeschooling children but has evolved into a fantastic factual informational to confront ungodly liberalism.
    {article links removed because I don’t promote other links without reading them and endorsing them fully}

    • Hi Tommy, thank you for your kind words. I removed your articles because, first, I don’t endorse other blogs anymore and second, I don’t happen to agree with them. Jesus specifically said, “It is written that you shall hate your enemies but I say, love your enemies.” He changed the Old Testament with those words. He didn’t do that very often but he did in this case. To me, I believe he was referencing David’s psalm with that statement. Also, this article had nothing to do with whether or not humans should hate one another- it is about God hating people. And really, that isn’t even my point. My point here is to fight back against this crazy milquetoast mentality and softness of the American church. It has absolutely forgotten the first and most important aspect of our relationship with God: FEAR and RESPECT. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. We must fear and respect God before our love for him can even be in the proper form. Our love can’t be cutsy or darling. It can’t be lighthearted or on a whimsy. It isn’t about dropping a postcard everyone once in a while. It is as Jesus described- with our whole mind, our whole being, our whole soul, our whole body. It is all consuming and takes up the giant portion of our day. He is the first and last of our existence. We reverence him and serve him. That is the love we should have. This is not taught and this horrible platitude is just a symptom of this prevailing milquetoast attitude that is choking out the true reverence that we should have for God. My article is to give a shock, a slap and a wake up call to people. However, it is not to advocate hatred in anyone toward anyone. This would be in disobedience to Christ. I pray for my enemies, though it galls me to do it. I can’t say that I love my enemies- but I strive to not hate them. I see the enemies of God and they are indeed my enemies. But I try to win them to God. At least, until I determine they are swine and dogs. Then, I move on. To me, hatred is a waste of my efforts. The articles I read (exception of the first one) were too aimed at anger toward people. We don’t have time for that. We are workers in the harvest. We have too much to do. Hate is looking backward to punish the swine and dogs. Jesus told us not to waste our pearls on them. We need to move on toward those who wish to hear the good news. That is my opinion.

    • Tommy, did you ever think to ask that person one important question. The question that I would have asked your friend is simple and it would be, “Sir, which thing is more important to you, your heterophobia (homosexuality) or your faith and acceptance of YAHASHUA HA’MASHIACH (Jesus Christ) into your life? You only can choose one of the two options, sir, so there is no option of choosing both or an option of choosing neither one in your life.” I am sure that you would have gotten an answer from him had you asked him that question in your discussion with him.

  51. I agree with several of your points “short little rebel”. I agree that the God of judgment is not talked about as much anymore. And it does seem that many speak about the love of Christ as if God is going to except any and everything on the day of judgment , but we know this is NOT true! This is why the whole BIBLE should be preached, because the bible speaks about his wrath, hatred, and judgment in several scriptures but it also speaks about his love, mercy and forgiveness in several scriptures. Thus, this shows that God is not one dimensional. …There is NO searching of his understanding (Isaiah 41:28). In regards to the saying “love the sinner hate the sin”,,,,I must say NOT ALL say that as a way to accept sin in the church. You are absolutely correct with the scriptures you listed speaking about God’s hate, BUT in essence, I believe that saying comes from the fact that WE ALL WERE ONCE SINNERS and GOD yet LOVED AND LOVES US. As the scripture says, For GOD so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever…John 3:16. So we who are saved are saved only by God’s grace through faith (reference from ephesians 2:8) So, when witnessing I believe Christians try to remind the sinner that God loves them because some don’t even feel worthy to receive God’s forgiveness and accept Jesus Christ. On the other hand, some sinners like to automatically say God and Christians hate them because we speak up and out against their sin as defined in the bible. So then we must remind them that God hates their sin BUT that Jesus demonstrated his LOVE for them (THE WORLD) when he died on the cross, and that he will forgive them of all their sin by asking Jesus for forgiveness and accepting him into their heart. Think about how Jesus showed compassion to sinners…yes, he also rebuked too. We are to be like Jesus. … the woman in the bible that was caught in adultery,, Jesus showed her compassion, and told her he doesn’t condemn her, but then said GO and SIN NO MORE and also the Samaritan woman who was a sinner…
    God bless.

    • Hi Tina, well spoken indeed. I know all that you say is true, of course. I wrote this article as a push back to the overwhelming, milquetoast culture that has all but swallowed the American church of today. I didn’t write it because I believe this should be the way churches should feel about sinners and sin. I am hoping that you could see that in my article. I believe I wrote that clearly. I wrote this article as a slap, a shock, a jolt to the system, as it were. If I don’t write in this manner, no one will even listen. People have very thick glasses on. They have very thick mufflers over their ears, Tina. When a Christians speaks in reasoned tones, people don’t even look up from their iphones. When a Christians smiles as they speak, no one even bothers to hear them. ‘Yadda yadda yadda’ is all they hear. Sometimes, you just have to get a little radical and give them some strong medicine. I didn’t lie one bit in my article. I told the bald faced truth. The only thing I didn’t mention was the deep love of God which, as you say, is so much more prevalent than his wrath. But since people have overindulged in this love message and my point is to show his other side, which is so very needed for the health of the body, I don’t feel it is necessary or right at the moment! So, I hope you understand why I didn’t mention it so much here. But yes, when we walk into the world, it is the balance message which we must bear to be proper messengers of God. Neither full of wrath, nor sugar coated ninnies who would turn God into a nincompoop for people to use as their door mat. I am a firm believer that fear/respect must come first. We honor God first. Then, he will honor us back. Be HE is first, we are second. That is only right and proper.

  52. Thank you for sharing the truth Most people just don’t know God well enough to know you’re telling them truth. In studying the word since 1980, day and night, not having to work a job, and dedicating my life to knowing Him, He truly is the God you described and as you already know, even more! Remembering this…..the secret things belong unto the Lord our God, but the things that are revealed belong to us and our children forever, that we may do all of the words of this law.

  53. It’s so funny that I came across this right after writing on my Facebook
    This world is so thirsty for love. I truly believe that if we Christians show them God’s perfect love he can work in their lives. For God is love.
    But, we have been so busy hating sin we forgot to love the sinner
    John 13:34 & 35
    A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
    By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
    While I do agree. But only partially. Truth and mercy always are together in the bible. God is both truth and mercy. We do have to come to him and ask for repentance. And while fear of going to hell turned me to God, I didn’t stay there. And 7 yes later it was God’s love for me that turned me back and kept me there. Ezekiel talks a couple times about how God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked but would rather them turn from their wickedness. He is longsuffering and full of mercy. Many times is his forgiveness outlast his punishments.
    I wish I had known how much freedom is in dwelling in God’s love. This world is sick and dying because they don’t know there is a God who loves them so much he died for them so they don’t have to live in sin. And he wants to have a relationship with him. He could destroy this world in an instant, but he waiting to for all to hear the gospel.
    Don’t forget we are all sinners and worthy of hell, but God is love, and he loved me and died for me.
    Our enemy isn’t flesh and blood but the devil. People who commit wickedness are in the snares of the devil and Christ is the only way to freedom from that.
    While I agree people need to know there is a hell and we are all bound to it, They need to know God loves them.

    • Hi Bonnie, actually, the modern church tells that message over and over and over again. In fact, there isn’t a church in America who won’t tell you exactly what you just said. What they won’t tell you is that you will go to hell for your actions. This world is not sick because they don’t know about God and Jesus. Most of the world does know that Jesus came to save them. At least, all of N. America knows. All of S. America knows. Australia knows. Most of Asia knows. All of Europe and Russia knows. China is still dark and parts of Africa are dark. But huge chunks of Africa have heard. Areas of the Arab world haven’t heard the message. Most of the world is suffering, Bonnie, because they have REJECTED Jesus, not because they don’t know about him. They know of his love and yet, they mock him. They know that forgiveness awaits them if they repent and ask Jesus to come into their lives- but they will NOT repent. You are wrong about that. These are the wealthy nations who reject him- knowingly reject him. And they are writhing in misery. But they take it out on the poor of the world. Do they care for the poor? No. Those who are poor are left to rot. The wealthy who rule these people know all about Jesus and his promises- and they reject him. The Chinese, the African dictators, the Arab leaders- they all know who Christ is- and they reject him. Instead, they keep their people in darkness on purpose. And that is why the people suffer. Yes, we need to get to those people. They must hear the message of Christ- the love and salvation of Christ.

      This article is not for them. It is for everyone else. It is for those who have already heard- and have turned away. It is for those who mock God, call him names, reject his Son and commit grievous sins in God’s face. These are the ones who need to read this article, Bonnie. I don’t regret a word of this article for them. Indeed, I have done exactly as God commanded Ezekiel in this article for them.

      Churches today refuse to tell the other side of God. That is why I wrote this article. This doesn’t represent my full message, Bonnie. Just the side that the Milquetoast Church is missing. Obviously, the Love of Christ is first. Only when someone has refused and become a God hater is this message necessary. At that point, this is still a message of love.

  54. I agree and disagree with this. God has every right to hate people. He created everyone. We aren’t God however, and although you are right, love the sinner hate the sin, is not in the Bible in those specific words, it is still the emphasis of Jesus’s ministry and that is the covenant we are under today. The Old Covenant shows us WHY we should fear God and why we should do as Jesus said to do. Jesus emphasised this because we are ALL sinners and to hate someone else for their sin is being a hippocrite when we are only holy BECAUSE of Jesus, not because we are sinless…………just my opinion anyway

    • I never said we are to hate anyone, William. People really struggle with this article even though I made it clear why I wrote it. I wrote it as a counterbalance to the refusal of the modern church to tell the full truth of God. Again, this article never justifies or recommends for anyone to hate anyone. Nor does it say that God hates everyone or hates easily. It is to emphasize that we must fear our God first. He is holy and fearsome and his anger is not something we want coming our way.

  55. I would like to know what version of the Bible you are using. The Bible you have is hard for me to read. I use the King James all the time, and this is not the king James.

    • I use the NIV. I like it best because it is a fresh translation from the original Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek documents, unlike most of the versions out there. The KJV is also an original translation- but it was translated so many years ago that its English is literally, Old English. That’s the reason for all the ‘thees’ and ‘thys’. No one talks like that anymore. It was done during King James time when everyone spoke like that. It doesn’t make it any holier to say it like that. The NIV is translated into modern English, which I love. Further, it is actually a tad more accurate than the KJV, if the truth be told. However, it is only in minor issues. Some people don’t realize this and claim that the NIV ‘left things out’ but not so! Actually, based on the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we were able to find the true location of a few verses and changed them in the NIV. Thus, nothing was taken out- only moved to their older, more trustworthy place in the Bible.

  56. I am gay. When I say that I mean attracted to men. Not by choice. Who would make such a choice?I have been since I was a child. I married and divorced, straight marriage was wrong for me. It was unfair to her. It was unfair to me. I never cheated on my wife. I started perusing sexual relationships 2 months after my divorce was final. I am celibate these days mainly due to age and no desire to peruse a relationship. Men are still attractive to me. I pray, I talk to God often as if he were beside me. I keep nothing from him, who could, he is God and knows our nakedness. I love God and I fear him. I believe he loves me too. I believe Jesus is his only begotten son and that he died on the cross and was resurrected for our sins to save us, even me from sin. Am I wrong to think he could love me? My life isn’t about being gay, that is just an aspect of my life that I live with like any other infirmity. I just live my life and I try to be mindful to include God in it every day. Does he hate me anyway?

    • Hi Jeff, what in my article says that God would hate you for having lust for men??? Here is something that you need to stop doing: stop saying that you ‘are gay’. That simply is not true. One is not gay. One is a man. One is Caucasian. One is tall. One is smart. But one isn’t gay. That is not a fact of being. That is something we feel or act upon. It is much more accurate to say that you have lust for men. Obviously you can have lust for women too or you couldn’t have had sex with your wife. I don’t know if you have children, but I have read about too many men who call themselves ‘gay’ and have been exactly in your shoes- been married, had kids and then said, “I’m gay” and left. Impossible. More like, “I am a man who can lust for women and I can lust for men. This is my sin and I have a hard time controlling it.” well. lah, dee, dah. I hate to sound cavalier, but welcome to the human race, Jeff. Do you honestly believe that you are the only human male who suffers from inappropriate lust issues? Just because you lust for men sometimes doesn’t mean you ‘are’ permanently something other than what you were born: ie, a male human being. Do you follow me?

      Men can lust for children, too many women, porn, hard core sex, etc. None of this is healthy sex and none of it belongs in a Christian marriage. It is literally, ‘deviant’ sex. And according to God, immoral. That’s just the rules according to the One who made us all. I have no doubt whatsoever that when you began exploring homosexual sex, you felt like less of a person and farther from God. I have no doubt that is why you stopped. I am very glad you stopped. It will only destroy what is good inside you. God knows what he made when he made man. The Bible is our instruction manual- our care manual. It is not a strict book of rules meant to torture us. It is a loving book that literally tells us how to attain bliss in this life. Homosexual sex, hard core S&M sex, incest, child sex, etc- ALL of these will lead to mental, spiritual and physical breakdown of the human being. And all evidence points to this truth. The homosexual and transgender population is the most miserable population in the world. It kills itself more than any other.

      Lots of men suffer from lust, Jeff. You suffer from lust. It is as simple as that. You obviously can lust for women and can be a husband as you were meant to be. Your trouble was that you got confused by what society deemed to be ‘gay-ness’. You assumed that because you also lusted for men, you must BE something other than a normal man. You assumed you must be something ‘other’. But you never stopped and asked yourself, “Why should I redefine myself simply because I lust for men?” Satan has been working on America and modern society for some time now. This ‘gay’ thing has been at work for generations. It wasn’t always this way, you know. Hundreds of year ago, powerful men just assumed they could lust for anyone they wanted and still be men. They never felt pressured to call themselves anything new. They had their marriages and just slept around with everyone. But this gay movement is insidious. Its purpose is to separate people from God permanently and you fell into the trap.

      Again. You are simply a man who lusted for both women and men and then, because you found yourself also attracted to men, panicked and relabeled yourself as GAY. Thus, once relabeled, you divorced and decided to only have sex with men. All according to the Progressive, satanic plan. Meanwhile, what you really needed to do is understand that you suffer from lust like so many other men and women. And you needed to control your BEHAVIOR, even more than your mind. You said that you didn’t cheat and that, my friend, is half the battle. What do you think marriage is? A bed of roses? Sometimes marriage isn’t perfect or romantic. But you stay married anyway. You say it wasn’t ‘fair’??? Who said marriage was ‘fair’?? It’s for life and that’s that. No matter what. You don’t cheat. You just stay. And you pray

      No one can force you to have sex with a man, can they? No. Easy answer. You could have stayed married. That was your promise to God. That is marriage, I’m afraid. Only modern day Americans think it is about love or fairness. No wonder everyone gets divorced! And you should have told her the truth and gotten counseling. Don’t you believe in prayer??? People can suffer terribly from lust. I can attest that prayer works for this! Sex is sex and indeed, you could have continued to have a satisfying sexual relationship with your wife. That is also just a decision. And if you felt ‘deprived’ that you couldn’t ALSO have sex with men? TOO BAD! lol. seriously. Them’s the cards you got dealt, right? Deal with it.

      This life is not about our personal satisfaction and the day we can get that into our heads the better. We are here to SERVE JESUS. Jeff. Of COURSE God loves you. And, if you are not disobeying him by having sex with other men, then you are not angering him either. This article never said that God hated homosexuals. It simply said that I hated platitudes like this which are so prevalent in today’s milquetoast church. This article was to put the fear of God back into people to balance out the oozing, sticky, love-only version of the bible being erroneously given to people who are seriously sinning against God. There really ARE people whom God hates. But you aren’t one of them. You love God. You are just a simple sinner like me, Jeff. So, rest easy on that score. But control your BEHAVIOR. No one can control what they wish for or feel. That is not what God holds against us. And repent as we all do, Jeff. Stop calling yourself Gay and tell the truth of yourself: you are a Child of God. That is who you are. Plain and simple. Throw off the chain of satan and put on the brilliant mantle of God. ok?

    • Jeff, Ray Comfort has an unexpected video concerning this. audacitymovie.com/ is the place to get it. There are perspective changing questions in there that clear things up and quickly. This life is a struggle for us all if the battle of the mind is not won. GOD alone helped clean up my mind and erase the filthy thoughts I had allowed to be formed there. This doesn’t mean temptations aren’t constant, it just means as the bible says all wicked imaginations are to be placed beneath the subjection of the LORD Jesus Christ.

      • Amen to that. I had an experience once where I was suddenly and viciously overwhelmed with sexually outrageous thoughts right in the middle of church service! It was a true satanic attack. I became flushed and horribly upset by them. I was confused and alarmed- but I knew at once what was happening. These were demonic thoughts- not my own. They were utterly foreign to my mind. I didn’t panic but instead cried out in my mind, “Satan! Get behind me. How dare you come before me. I am a Child of God who lives under the promises of Christ. He has told me that I command you and so I do for he never lies. In the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, I command you to leave me at once and never return.” Instantly, these awful thoughts were gone- completely gone and never returned. The promises of God are true. We are 100% sovereign over satan and his demons. We do not and shall not fear satan or his minions. I remain surprised that he was able to attack me like that, but it doesn’t matter. He was no match for the name of Christ and the great power that Christ has given to each of us who follows him.

    • I never comment on blogs, usually don’t even read them. However, I feel compelled to tell you that God loves you Jeff. Your honesty is admirable, and I appreciate your sharing very much. God loves you, and if you truly give your life to him and accept Jesus as your Savior, you will someday hear Him say He loves you face to face.

  57. “Love the sinner, hate the sin” – Mahatma Ghandi (Icon of Bhuddism, who did NOT have a correct or clear understanding of Christ and Christianity)

    Jesus never walked around tossing daiseys and marshmallows at everyone while he softly told them how awesome He thought they were. He was never needlessly cruel, but He never hesitated to be harsh or sharp in His words to someone when He felt it appropriate either.

    • This is true. And he told us to give people only one chance to hear and accept the Word of God. If they hear and accept, then great- but if not, we are to consider them dogs and swine, dust off our sandals as a witness against them and walk away. I’m not saying that we just give up on people. But so many Christians make Jesus seem like a beggar. It kind of sickens me. First, they are disobeying their king. Second, they don’t understand basic human nature (which, of course, God does.) Human beings need, want and require a strong leader. Since when do we follow a general who begs us to follow? Did General Patton beg his soldiers? Is that why they loved him? We must let these people know that they are going to hell should they disrespect their Lord, Savior and God. Then, walk away. Let them understand they are being left behind. This is what human beings respect. They will eventually regret and follow. But to stand there and beg is to make a mockery of our King. Again, God knows the creature he made. If only people would stop second guessing God’s commands! We need to read and obey God. We may not understand his wisdom, but he knows what he is doing. If we contemplate just a little, we will see his wisdom. But we are not wiser than God!

  58. Thank you for responding back, I was afraid I’d hear nothing back or just the usual condemning hate filled response most people with my affliction get. A little understanding and kindness in explanation means a lot. Thank you so very much. I need to rethink a lot of my beliefs. It’s hard to admit to myself that my understanding has been scewed, I’ve been wrong about some of what I thought I knew.

    • No problem, Jeff. No hate here, brother. No one in this life is unscathed. Look at me. I am being sued for $3 million bucks by the guy who RAPED me. How do you like them there apples, buddy? No one gets an easy life. Nobody gets an easy life. No one isn’t tested and tested hard. Never lick your wounds. Instead, buck up, forget your wounds. Stand up and help someone. That’s what I do. It helps me to not feel sorry for myself. AND it feels a whole lot better than being bitter and sad and depressed. Seriously. Want to feel good about life? Reach out and HELP someone. Do that over and over and over again and before you know it, God is calling you home and saying, “Good job, you faithful servant!” and your satisfaction will be great indeed! Jeff, your temptations and miseries will only last a few more years. Who cares? You are meant to live TRILLIONS of years in perfect health, happiness, comfort, love, passion, and interest! Just hang in there and do the right thing.

  59. Truth is a hard concept for most people in the world today because of 1000’s of years of deceit spread by the enemy. People have a hard time letting go of pre-conceived ideas of truth that have been engrained into the very fabric of their identity of who they are in Christ. Satan is a supernatural being not a natural being as we humans are. We are in a fallen state because of sin & that sin seperates us from God the Father, not until we are born again (new creation) can we enter into heaven. Lucifer was the bright & morning star, so beautiful & perfect in every way, he had all the knowledge of heaven but his pride led him into rebellion against his Creator & brought him down from his high position in heaven, he fell after waging war against God he was thrown down to earth along with 200 angelic beings. Lucifer became a new creation, he was given a new name, Satan, Lucifer exist no more, he had what man desires, knowledge, when our heart desires pure truth & we obtain knowledge from the Most High we are blessed with wisdom from God but when that knowledge comes from satan it is unpure, unholy & perverted, (which means twisted) Satan will always counterfeit God & he appeals to mans flesh by tempting us with selfish desires of our wicked hearts, if we humble ourselves & submit our ways to the Lord, He keeps us on the right path, but when we listen to the desires of our own hearts we are easily led astray by our own heart. Did you catch that? Our Own Heart… Who Ownes your heart? if The Lord paid your ransom, then you belong to Him, He is your master & you follow Him, He said a man cannot serve two masters, because he will love the one & hate the other, when we follow our own hearts desire we allow ourselves to become slaves to our flesh & we remain in bondage to sin. We can never become new creations this way only when we humble ourselves before An All Mighty Creator & bring ourselves into submission under His authority will we belong to Him but this process will not be fullfilled until one makes a commitment in his heart, (this is where the wedding vow comes in) We must die to self in order to become the new creation in Christ, water baptism took place in order for the people to understand the deeper spiritual meaning this is how Jesus taught (Midrash) when we go down under the water it signifies we are dead & our body is being put in the ground (old man) when we come up out of the water that signifies our resurrection to the new creation (new man) the water running down our body siginfies the washing or cleansing & the Holy Spirit, this is meant to create an experience for the human as we humans have a hard time grasping spiritual things, it is through this emotional experience that we may grasp the deeper meaning of the baptism. It was this kind of teaching that opened my eyes & brought me from the twisted Helenistic Christiananity back to the roots of the Hebraic teaching of our Lord Jesus. It wasn’t until I understood that I had a real enemy & not only did that enemy have a name but he has a history, a future & a battle plan to destroy me, my family, the church & the whole world too. it was then the question that I desparately needed an answer to, came, “Why” Pride. It brings us low, it seperates us from our Father, it leads to death & dishonor to ourselves, our future generations & our heavenly Father, Pride is from the father of lies the deceiver of the whole world, he wants to be God but he cannot, he wants to destroy God the Creator but he cannot so he goes after Gods creation, Mankind, this is why people mutilate themselves, change their image, change their sex, transform their bodies, satan has wispered in our ears (trader =tailbearer) lies in order to manipulate us into exchanging our image & likeness of the Creator into the image of the beast (the creature or created) In short Jesses comment reminded me of this simple thing; “Die to Self” unless we are willing to die to self, we will never be fully able to live for Christ. We must choose which master we are going to serve. We will all serve someone, “Who” is the question.

    • hmmm… Gina, while I’m glad that you liked the article, I’m not in agreement with just about anything you wrote there. The bible doesn’t write anything about Lucifer being created by first being perfect and beautiful, then waging a great war with God, being thrown down to earth with 200 angelic beings and being given a new name, ‘satan’. As to him being the ‘morning star’, that refers to the King of Tyre- which many people often attribute to a description of satan- described in Ezekiel. This is mere interpretation which some people have had the sheer gall to call fact. Some ministries actually go and put Lucifer’s name in place of the ‘King of Tyre’ into these scriptures even though no valid translations do this. That’s wrong. It can just as easily (and to me, more accurately) be a description of the King of Tyre that really existed during the time it was written. Further, there is reference in the book of Revelation to a Dragon, Lucifer, who does do war against God and gets cast out of heaven- but this appears to be in the far future- not the past! Some people choose to say it happened in the past, but that would preclude satan existing on earth during Adam and Eve’s time! As to the ‘old man’, ‘new man’, ‘Midrash’ and all the water analogies, I have to say you might be walking deep in the hog wash territory. None of that is biblical. If it ain’t in the Bible, it’s human garbage. Just remember that, Gina. Everyone, and I mean everyone, wants a piece of the God-pie. Jesus is powerful. If you can get people to believe you know about Jesus, they will follow you. But if they can’t prove it came from the Bible, girlfriend, you had better up and run. NONE of those words are in the Bible. I guarantee it. Just do a word search on an online bible.

      Gina, I fear that you have fallen into the hands of the Hebrew Roots Movement- they call themselves a Christian movement but they aren’t. They wish to entrap Christians into the LAW once more. These Jews ‘who aren’t Jews’ existed at the time of Christ. They have always existed. They would steal our freedom in Christ and make us slaves to the Law again. Only satan wants that. Their lips cry out, “Christ!” but their actions do not. Be very, very careful.

      I agree with your ultimate conclusion, however, that we must lose ourselves completely and serve Jesus. That’s the answer.

  60. I disagree with all of this. Constantly living in Fear is the whole reason I left Christianity, to begin with. A person can only take so much of Revelations, fire and brimstone, and doom. Fear is NOT a good reason to believe in anything. I don’t want to believe in God simply because I’m afraid of a torturous afterlife. God is supposed to be a loving God. That’s why he sent his only Son to die for us as a method of salvation.

    This hateful crap is just as ridiculous as any of the violent trype coming out of Islam, and it makes you no different. I would rather suffer a torturous afterlife in Hell because I believed in the reality of a loving God opposed to hateful Islam, than to live an eternity in Paradise because I was hypocritical and Hateful.

    Even if I stuck to the Old Testament and claimed Judaism, I would never believe Elohim/Yehweh/Jehovah hated any one of his creations. Why would a Creator ever hate something he created. I say “Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin” and don’t ever presume to do God’s job for him by casting judgement, because judging people is saying that God can’t do his own job right and that is blasphemy of the highest.

    “And whoever may cause to stumble one of those little ones who are believing in me, it is better for him that a weighty millstone may be hanged upon his neck, and he may be sunk in the depth of the sea.” Matthew 18:6

    So, shame on you for misrepresenting the Children of God in this hateful way.

    • Travis, shame on me? Did I not just write the Word of God on these pages? Don’t you mean, “Shame on God?” Did I misrepresent God? Really? Are these my words? No, they are HIS words. Further, here are Paul’s words,

      ” It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord…..I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.” 1 Corinthians 5

      “12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5:9-12

      ” 2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! “- 1Corinthians 6
      ” 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6

      I’m sorry that you find GOD’S word to be ‘hateful CRAP’, Travis, but as you say, you ‘left Christianity’. This means that you never knew Christ to begin with. No one who knew Christ would ever leave him because Christ overwhelms you with such beauty and life that nothing on earth is worth letting him go. Travis, you aren’t making a whole lot of sense in your comment. On the one hand, you claim to have left, and then you mention ‘Elohim/Yehweh/Jehovah’. Which is it? Do you believe or no? If you believe, then I’m afraid you are bound by the one and only book that describes GOD and his SON. You know, the book from which comes all that ‘CRAP’?

      Oh, and the verse you quoted? I like that one too. However, I am not the one leading anyone astray. I am telling the full truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. You, on the other hand, are stating mere opinion, aren’t you? Please give me biblical scripture that would erase the verses that I just gave? Jesus himself told us that he did not come to erase a single pen stroke of the Law- but that he came to fulfill it. In fact, he said that anyone who tried to change even one dot of it would be damned worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. Did you know that? So, please find the verses that change all the ‘CRAP’ I just wrote the from the holy Bible, why don’t cha? As for my shame, well, who doesn’t have their sin? I confess it readily. I do lots of things wrong. But I certainly didn’t misquote scripture here. You can check it for yourself.

  61. John 3:15-21 (KJV)
    15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
    16 For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
    20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
    21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
    9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
    James 2:9-10 (KJV)
    9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

    IF jesus didnt love sinners, none of us would be saved…He died so that all COULD come to repentance, not that we all will, but COULD. We go to hell because WE reject Him, he doesnt reject us. the same love that saved the “saved” is there for the sinner also. Romans 10:13 (KJV) 13 For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved….

  62. That God loves the sinner is finally evinced in the incarnation; “For God so loved the world that he sent is one and only Son…” That God hates sin is evinced in the horror of the cross, where the Son of God endured the punishment due to each one of us because we have sinned. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. While all the scriptures cited by the Short Little Rebel are true, they are fulfilled at the cross. God’s complete self-revelation is in Christ (Hebrews 1:3) and there the message of God’s love for sinful people is clear and compelling. For, the punishment on sinners was transferred on Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21) who atoned for those whom God relentlessly loves. “For God demonstrates his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8).

    • Georg, again, you entirely missed the point of the article. read it again. However, if your point is that the cross somehow ‘changed’ the verses or ‘alleviated’ the verses I quoted, you are wrong. They didn’t. God never changes, nor does his feelings toward sinners or those who commit them. He always intended to send his son from the beginning- even as he contemplated those thoughts. Do you think God makes mistakes or didn’t realize he would send his son then? How outrageous. God never changes. His character is forever set. His intention is for always. Just because he hates sin and sometimes those who commit them, doesn’t mean he doesn’t also love mankind and always intended to send them a means out of their sin. However, all that being said, you missed the entire point of the article. In your knee jerk reaction to it, you failed to see the point. Try again.

  63. Two things I would like to share. I like many of many of the things you say. But I’m sorry, I think there is a verse in Jude which appears to line up with “Love the sinner but hate the sin” or at least a version of it. I am thinking of Jude verse 23: “Save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.” In this verse we see the action of love being exhorted by Jude toward sinners; but at the same time it contains the expression of hatred toward what they are doing, and it even appears to be saying that we are to fear least we get too close. The point I am making is that this verse contains a particular translation of this extra biblical statement, but expressed in a particular way. But I now want to say something which may appear to disagree with what I have just said. At the heart of the matter, I don’t believe my following comments represents a disagreement with what I have already said. There are things in my following statements, which affirm particular aspects of your position. I want to refer you to a book on the wrath of God, which you can read for free online. The book was written by Geoffrey Bingham, an Australian who was a prisoner of war in WW2 under the Japanese in Changi. Geoffrey Bingham later became a pastor and then someone with a profound teaching ministry. (He wrote over 200 books.) He was also involved in two revivals in Pakistan in the 1960s. In the book, to which I about to refer you to, Geoffrey Bingham demonstrates strong biblical evidence and argumentation for the assertion you made that God not only hates sin, but also the sinner as well. But this book does also contain a few qualifying or structural counter arguments against which it is important to understand these matters. Here is the link to the book: http://www.newcreationlibrary.net/books/pdf/392_WrathOfLove.pdf

    • Hi Christopher, please don’t misunderstand the meaning of this post. I thought I made myself quite clear. This post was not to say that we should hate anyone. Nor did I say that God hates us as a habit or more than he loves us. My point, Christopher, is to bring back a balance to the American and Western Church which has forgotten the FEAR of God. It IS the beginning of wisdom. Without the proper fear and respect for God, we will and have gone astray. Just look at our Supreme Court of the Land. That proves exactly what I mean. This country no longer fears God. And we now stand proudly against him and his laws. I honestly hope he strikes us down. We deserve it.

  64. This is the best article I have read in a very long while. I used it in my devotions this morning and I thank you short-little-rebel for taking the time to write it and for all your explanations to those who have commented. Honestly, I have been perplexed and concerned about the extremely relaxed posture of the so-called church for so long and the “bless me club” attitude that so many Christians seem to think they deserve to belong to. I praise God for you and will be praying that you continue to be bold in your witness!

    • Hi Rita, thanks for writing. Well, I dedicated my life to the Lord’s work almost 25 years ago when we made a ‘deal’- if he would just save me from ending my life, I would give the rest of it to his service. Little did I know that I would receive the best part of that bargain! I received the massive baptism of the Holy Spirit on the spot- a rushing freight train of wind and fire! I have served with my whole mind/body and soul since. And I love to do it. If my writing helps anyone, then I consider my life worthwhile. I so appreciate your words as they help me to know that my life is worth something. So thanks for telling me that. Susan

  65. Thank you for your very true article. It takes boldness to stand on Jesus Christ. It takes boldness to talk about the milquetoast that’s being preached these days in church. It seems we have the itchy ear syndrome, only listening to the things we want to hear. I also believe we are to fear, revere God with all our strength, heart, soul, and mind. Again I want to thank you for shouting out to us. May we each listen and choose to realize that the maker of everything you see and don’t see is to be revered. Thank you again. It is refreshing to hear the truth in boldness these days. Thank you again. In love, Candy

    • Hi Candy, yes! And you know what, Candy? I find that when I fear God, I LOVE him even more! What a surprise! But God knows exactly what he created. We are meant for him – when we live outside of him, we are incomplete and unhappy. People try to fill that God-hole with sex, drugs, alcohol, marriage, children, job, etc, but it won’t work- horrid depression will come because nothing fills the hole! Only God, through Jesus will do! And we need to RESPECT in order to love. What soldier will follow a weak general? A general who begs to be followed? Did General Patton beg and hug his soldiers? ha! There is just something about us humans that require the fear/respect/love mixture in order to properly worship. When our church decided that they knew better, “ie, ‘Gee, it might scare people away if we told all that scary stuff about God so let’s just tell them about the love stuff'”, they actually preached the most irrelevant, boring message of all- THAT is why people left the church- it didn’t resonate with the human soul anymore. Only the FULL truth resonates! Ditto for our witness to unbelievers. It is ONLY when we tell them the consequences for their sin that they will turn and listen. Sure, they get mad as Hades. But at least they turned! I find this all the time. I see Christians begging them to turn around. They offer up Jesus like a juicy portion of meat, “Jesus loves you! Come to Jesus! He will forgive you of everything! Please come to Jesus! Don’t throw your life away!” And this to pure God haters, mockers, so-called atheists and blaring homosexuals!!! They absolutely ignore these Christians as if they don’t exist!! ONLY when I come and say, “Christians! Stop throwing your pearls to these swines and dogs!! Didn’t you hear your master tell you this? Jesus is a KING, not a beggar. Stop making him into a beggar. These are not worthy to receive his gift of everlasting life. Dust off your sandals against them and it will be worse for them than for Soddom and Gomorah!” Then, both the Christians and the God haters turn on me. I simply tell both groups that the God haters are going to hell for what they do and that is the last of my duty to inform them of this fact and that it is time to leave. Oh! how the so-called atheists scream and yell! Because they don’t want to go to hell. And the Christians yell because they say I am not loving the ‘precious cargo’ I have in my hands. But God does not BEG to be followed. And those that did not listen to the whining Christians suddenly are listening to the Christian who told the TRUTH concerning God- that he will throw them into the lake of fire without a single thought- because they heard but would not receive. They heard, not once, but many times. That is waaaaay more generous than what Jesus commanded us to do- he said to tell them ONCE, and if they would not receive, to leave, calling them ‘dogs and swine’. People are stubborn. If you beg them, they will spit on you. But if you leave them in their sin and simply inform them that their King will toss them into the fire, then they will turn and repent. GOD KNOWS THIS ABOUT US. THAT is why Jesus commanded us to do what he said. But milquetoast and arrogant Christians have decided that this is ‘mean’ and ‘unacceptable’ behavior and have decide that they know MORE than Jesus. Thus, they end up losing souls instead of saving them. It makes me angry to see. If only we would have FAITH, and RESPECT and FEAR! We would LISTEN to God’s commands and just do what he said! We could effectively witness and people would be saved. Instead, we drone on and on and sinners laugh. THAT is why I wrote this article. I can only hope people will listen- because these are not my words, but the Lords.

  66. You are looking at old testimate! When Jesus came, he said he came for those who needed a healer, not for the holy! He came to save the sinners, to free the captives. God sent Jesus to be a way to save sinners from sin. So yes God loved us sinners and sacrificed his son to save us from the sin he so hates. Also Jesus said love your enemies, pray for those who persicute you, give to those who steal from you. So the words love the sinner and hate the sin is accurate, according to Jesus

    • Hi Sunday, you say that as if the Old Testament is no longer valid. But Jesus said, “17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

      Jesus and the New Testament didn’t overturn anything in the New Testament. Apostle Paul explained to us how some of the Law from the Old Testament were fulfilled by Christ and thus, were no longer required to be followed. But these were things like continual sacrifices, food restrictions, cleanliness rules, etc- because Christ is the FINAL sacrifice and his blood had ‘cleaned’ us forever and ever, amen. But all of God’s feelings, rules of behavior, thoughts on sin, etc, are still valid. God never changes. Jesus brought us some changes in that he taught us deeper wisdom concerning the Law. For example, the priests were complete hypocrites concerning the law. God had set forth the ten commandments which should have caused them to love their neighbor more than themselves. But instead, when they implemented their own laws, not God’s laws, they were cruel to those beneath them, including widows and orphans. They were hypocrites concerning cleanliness- again, these are their ‘traditions’ not God’s laws. Jesus never overturned God’s laws- instead, he made them tougher, if anything. For example, when God said, “Thou shall not commit adultery”, Jesus said, “27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’e 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” So he set the bar EVEN HIGHER, not lower. The book of Revelation shows us Christ in heaven, after he has been ascended into heaven. He has bright woolen hair and radiating hair. His words are extremely tough on people. He is a king in every way and condemns people to hell like never before.

      I didn’t write this article to say that God hates us. I didn’t write this article to say we should hate anyone. I wrote this article to make us AFRAID of God. If this article made you fear God, then I am glad. Because now you will be able to move forward in greater wisdom, my friend.

  67. Dear, dear friend, you are unfortunately stuck in the old testament. The new testament, in particular those written by the original disciples, tell of the foundation of Christianity. The teachings of Christianity were intended to replace the teachings of the old testament. Decide whether you wish to follow the Judaism of the old testament or the Christianity of the new testament for, a
    house divided against itself cannot stand.

    • Dear Friend, You said, “The teachings of Christianity were intended to replace the teachings of the old testament.” Jesus said the complete opposite of what you just said. He said, “17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

      You are quite wrong in your thinking. Many, many Christians think what you think and they are sorely mistaken. God is to be FEARED and respected. You need to read my article again.

  68. I have enjoyed most of this entry. I stumbled across this whole looking for something else. My question is …yes God sometimes will hand over people over to their sin (desires , wishes, fantasies, etc) but to decree (appoint) seems that it goes directly against His (God’s desire that none should perish, but that all come to repentance) Why would our. God that is love by the way….direct the steps to destruction? I get that there are false profits out there wooing folks in His name to get the money or the pews filled. They will be held accountable. But to put the task of condemnation on God? The Holy Spirit convicts….not condemns. Jesus did say that He didn’t come to condemn the world…but to save the world through Him. May God bless you as we keep growing in the Lord. I’m all about sharing truth and being His hands and feet. But He did allow humans to have free will….no matter how binding it can be.

    • Hello, where People see contradiction, I see a need for deeper wisdom on the part of the reader. God never contradicts himself. God can hate some people. God can allow some to go to hell. God is the Great Potter and has planned already for some people’s destruction. Who are we to say otherwise? People love to judge God. I, on the other hand, love God as he is. Certainly, I trust him to be exactly just. To me, there is nothing unjust about him. Why would the pot think it can possibly understand the One who created it? It’s just a pot, for goodness sake! Seriously! lol. Why can’t God make pots to hold pencils and pots to shine brightly upon the center table- why can’t he create pots that he fully intends to break later? That is his prerogative. Only he knows his plan. I know he isn’t cruel. Whatever he does with the throwaway pots, I know he is gentle and good. I trust him. I will never judge him. People hate the Old Testament because it offends their human version of ‘fairness’. I shrug my shoulders at them and say, “Who do you think you are? You are judging God himself.” When I write an article like this, people like you come and blame me for simply writing what GOD said! He said it, not me and Jesus confirmed that not one penstroke was changed by his coming. So. Blame God and blame Jesus. I didn’t write the Bible.

  69. Well whoopee, you have the “power” of erasing opposing views, don’t you ? How insecure of you ! I too don’t believe in sugarcoating the Word of God, nor do I want to spread a vision of a God sitting up in the 3rd heaven with a huge celestial club just waiting to bash some hapless sinner’s brains out. We “are” to fear God, with a heart of awe and majesty, and when man considers sinning against the Lord, there should be fear at the consequences of rebelling against the Name above all Names. My problem with you is the pervasive feeling of “anger” that you seem to espouse, presenting God as a vindictive superior being roaming about seeing who He can sling into hell. My Bible says God does not wish anyone to perish, and extends history so more can come to the cross. Try spending a little more time in the New Testament, we are under a new convenant of grace, yet not easy-greasy grace, but the kind of grace that says I will love and obey God because He has forgiven me for so much, not that ” I will serve Him because if I don’t, He will smash me into a zillion pieces.”

    • Glenn, talk about anger! Listen to yours! I’m not sure why you only hear anger- but perhaps each of us sees others through our own traits. I think that is very true. This article is one piece among many that I have written. I made it very clear what this piece is about. If all you see is anger, then I think you need to take a good look at yourself.

  70. In the Old Testament, the true prophets listed the sins of the people and warned them to turn from them or God would send terrible judgements on them and destroy them. The false prophets on the other hand told the people that God was with them no matter what they did.

    Anyone with eyes to see knows whose side most modern churches take…

  71. Please apology for my wrong use of grammar, English is not my first language.

    @Short Little Rebel-

    I personally struggle to accept that God intended for some people to go to HELL.

    What did Jesus Christ came to do in this messy world then? What is Christ intent? What is Christ Work? Why Christ? Another Pastor or Preacher, Die for some? NO.

    Paul [His exegesis of the Old Testament bears testimony to his rabbinic training] in Romans 5:12-21

    “12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. 13 Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break. 14 Still, everyone died—from the time of Adam to the time of Moses—even those who did not disobey an explicit commandment of God, as Adam did. Now Adam is a symbol, a representation of Christ, who was yet to come. 15 But there is a great difference between Adam’s sin and God’s gracious gift. For the sin of this one man, Adam, brought death to many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of forgiveness to many through this other man, Jesus Christ. 16 And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins. 17 For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many. But even greater is God’s wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness, for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
    18 Yes, Adam’s one sin brings condemnation for everyone, but Christ’s one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone. 19 Because one person disobeyed God, many became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many will be made righteous.
    20 God’s law was given so that all people could see how sinful they were. But as people sinned more and more, God’s wonderful grace became more abundant. 21 So just as sin ruled over all people and brought them to death, now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

    Please pay careful attention to verse 18-21.

    One man called Adam brought sin into the world, another man called Jesus Christ brought us right standing before God. Why on earth will I believe that through Adam sin entered the world and I won’t believe that through Christ I am made right with God? I believe the two statements.

    John 10:10 “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.” The devil want to steal our soul [comes to steal and kill] but Christ come to deliver us.

    2 Cor. 5:15 “He died for everyone…” Christ will not come to die again, he did it once and for all … [to as many as will come to accept Him].

    2 Cor. 5:16- 21 16 So we have stopped evaluating others from a human point of view. At one time we thought of Christ merely from a human point of view. How differently we know him now! 17 This means that anyone who belongs to Christ has become a new person. The old life is gone; a new life has begun!
    18 And all of this is a gift from God, who brought us back to himself through Christ. And God has given us this task of reconciling people to him. 19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.20 So we are Christ’s ambassadors; God is making his appeal through us. We speak for Christ when we plead, “Come back to God!” 21 For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ.

    I can go on and on, but the point here is, as far as we are in this world we will sin. Yes, we will sin. We can’t be perfect.

    For example, Look at your studies can you remember buying all the pen on the table?

    Remember that impatient and unskilled driver he/she nearly got you in trouble, even when you didn’t alter a word your look speak louder than your voice.

    A pedestrian that cross the road in front of your car- you had to hit the break violently, you didn’t say anything but your look and the thought in your heart says it all. This happend to me few weeks ago, and the lady said F**K to me.

    Be honest, do you give your 100% at work?

    Do you give your husband 100% attention/love? Whe he wanted sex you had come up with one sort of pain or tiredness [ deep in your heart you know you are lying to him]. Remember, the Bible say we should not lie.

    Why is it that God still answer your prayer? Because He loves you.

    Peter wasn’t a right man when Christ choose him…why? Peter even told Jesus to depart from him a sinner. Peter followed Jesus for more than three years, still he denied Him [Peter sinned], but Christ came back to grab his hand and pour His anointing on him for ministry.

    Remember, in anger and defence Peter cut off someone’s ear- thank God Jesus glued it back.
    Thomas even doubt Jesus [Thomas sinned].

    After Christ’s death nearly all the disciples sinned, if not for “God love sinners and hate sin” Jesus would have lost all the disciples and His intent/work will be a failure.

    • Hi Sam and thank you for such a wonderful and thorough answer. I truly believe every verse and conclusion you wrote. And your English is very good. My article is not intended to degrade the work that Jesus did. Nor is it to say that Christ came to condemn. If that were so, then I would be serving satan and not Christ, is that not so? I wrote this piece to warn people to stop using platitudes when dealing with Christianity. The phrase, “Love the sinner, hate the sin” came from Ghandi, who is a pagan. He did not follow Christ. It is not a biblical sentiment. I wrote this piece as a warning to those who would try to water down the Bible into mere doctrine instead of encouraging people to read and study the real Bible. I truly detest these platitudes and meaningless phrases that can mislead so many people into believing the wrong ideas about God. This article’s intent is to show the danger of such phrases. The Bible clearly shows that God does hate individuals sometimes. Thus, the phrase is false. As to God intending people to go to hell, well, that is another topic- best addressed in my article, What Did Apostle Paul Mean About ‘the Pots’ in Romans 9? .

      No matter what, it is abundantly clear that these situations are RARE. God loves us all and he wants us all to live. But that doesn’t mean that all of us were meant to be his special pots. We really don’t know if every human being really is created equal, do we? What about people like Hitler or Judas or Pharaoh? The Bible makes clear that he makes some pots for destruction. We don’t know how he made those particular ‘pots’, do we? And Paul, in Romans 9, rebukes us for even questioning God concerning this very thing. I’m not sure if these people go to hell, but the Bible makes clear that they were made ‘for destruction’. So, maybe they just live and die without consequence or reward. Who knows? I won’t question God. This universe is his to command and I don’t see anything inherently unfair about that. In any case, much to chew upon. Susan

  72. God does have compassion on his creations. That is why he sent his son Jesus Christ. Let us not forget who we are at war with in this world we are at war with demons. demons plant evil thoughts in the minds of human beings lust, adultery, homosexuality, alcoholism, these things are bondages and are tied to demons. Satan caused the fall of man! Who really wants men and women to go to Hell! I do not believe it is our God who describes himself in his word as Love! Jesus sets us free from our sin Yes we must sacrifice flesh daily. We cannot do it without Jesus because all men fall short! Sad but true our minds are so easily influenced by satan but with Jesus his spirit can guide us!

  73. Short Little Rebel, I think you did a wonderful detail of this study! I have been lead to do this as well and see eye to eye with you. God is a firm, loving God . What he says in his word is fact many don’t like it for the word judges them when they read it or it is told to them and they get mad. Thing is, lol God wanted no one to go to Hell, nor does he put anyone there. They have to come to realize they are putting their self in hell by the sin they are doing. It is Christ first all the time with everything. Not hard to do if truly saved. Many don’t want to give up ” what they enjoy doing” , Hell be their choice. Once we tell them their blood is not on our hands so to speak then.

    • Hi Annette, Paul says in Romans that Christians ‘don’t’ sin anymore. I find that so interesting. As if we can’t or refuse to sin anymore. We know he doesn’t mean this literally because he admits in the very same letter that his flesh constantly sins. But he means to say that our Spirit doesn’t sin anymore. Our DESIRE never sins. We never wish to sin anymore. Not when we are IN Christ and he is in us. This is, literally, a new state of being. I have experienced this and I am, literally, a new being from what I used to be. My Spirit never wishes to sin anymore. It always wishes to please God now. I, myself, (as Paul likes to say) detest the very idea of sinning. That is why it really hurts me to hear my enemies say that I am a liar or a slanderer. It can’t be any less true. But as long as God knows me, that is all that ultimately matters. But is truly is like you said. It is easy to to put Christ first when you are saved. Your Spirit yearns for it anyway.

  74. God is love plain and simple. He loves us no matter what we have done and forgives as far as the east is from the west. He hates sins only because He is so holy and perfect that he can’t dwell with evil. That’s why He sent His one and only Son to die on the cross so that Jesus, who never sinned, would take the burden away from all of us because all of us sin so that He can be with us. He does love and want you and longs for you to be with him but he doesn’t want us to be robots so he lets us choose Him or hell. I don’t believe that God designs people for destruction. I believe that God knows ahead of time what someone will choose but He doesn’t hate them that He wont show himself to them in anyway. That’s just what I believe and know to be true

    • Hi Amelia, I don’t know what to say! Then you don’t believe in the Bible. You can’t ‘know’ or ‘believe’ anything that isn’t in the Bible, can you? From where do all Christian beliefs stem? We can’t become wiser than God, can we? We can’t become kinder than God can we? Only satan can tempt people into believing that they know more than him. If the Bible says it, it’s true. The thing we need to do as students of the Bible is to 1) accept that the Bible is true in all things 2) trust in God that all he does and says is good 3) pray for the wisdom to understand 4) continue to learn until we can understand the full meaning of all the verses of the Bible. We can’t just cut out the parts we don’t like. Jesus expressly told us that this was something very wicked to do and that the price of doing this would be death. So, Amelia, please be careful how you think and how you approach the Bible, ok? Just trust in God. He does all things for our good. All he does is GOOD, and nothing he does is evil.

  75. Thank you for your wonderful piece, I was blessed by and really enjoyed reading it. I was doing a study on the scripture about loving your enemies that’s how I stumbled on your blog. I found myself conflicted after reading your piece. I wish to possible further this discussion by commenting on the following topics.

    Hating the sin loving the sinner:
    You are correct in saying that this statement is not biblical. While sin is hateful, aren’t we supposed to show love to the sinner? Now I’m not talking about a love that enables the sin. I wouldn’t have sinners as my close friends, nor would I seek the counsel of a sinner. I wouldn’t give money to a drug addict because of my suspicion that the money would be used to further the destructive habit. However, I would give him food. I wouldn’t lie to help a sinner cover up a crime. Neither would I keep quiet and let a sinner commit a crime without warning him about the possible consequence just because I want him to do it and get in trouble so he can pay the price. Doesn’t love demand that we expose sin? As lights, we are to keep shining the truth of the Word. Those who want to remain in darkness will do so regardless, but we don’t stop shining that light because they don’t want it. To hate the sinner would mean we put the light off so they can remain in darkness. Don’t you think we also put ourselves in darkness by doing this? Now, I believe there are certain things that God can do but we can’t. That’s why He is God and we are not. We shouldn’t confuse God’s actions with our human actions. God knows the beginning and ending of everything but we don’t. Our judgment is tainted by the flesh. So, while God can condemn a soul to hell, we can’t. We should love the sinner as long as we have the opportunity to. Love doesn’t mean we become permissive. We should love them enough to tell them they are sinning and the consequence of sin is eternal damnation. We should love them enough to hand them over to the authorities to face the music of a crime committed. We should love them enough to tell them the truth no matter how painful or bitter it might seem.

    Forgiveness:
    On forgiveness, I believe it has a two fold benefit. One for the forgiver and the other for the forgiven. I should forgive even when it isn’t sought because it releases me from being negatively bound to the offender.
    Two examples of forgiveness I’ll refer to are (1) When Jesus was on the cross he made the famous statement in Luke 23:34 “Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do…” (2) When Stephen was being stoned to death Acts 7: 60 “And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.” I’ll also like to note Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” We didn’t ask Him to, but it was part of HIS divine plan.

    In the examples above, no forgiveness was sought by the aggressor but the aggrieved offered forgiviness. Shouldn’t these examples be our model?

    Thank you!

    • Hi Foj- thank you for such a wonderful and well thought out reply. I am in agreement with all you said. And if you read what I wrote, you won’t see that I disagree with you. At least in the first matter on love. Perhaps you have taught me something in the forgiveness department and have given me something to think upon! As I have said many, many times, this piece has never been about us not loving people. Rather, it is a rejection of platitudes and bad doctrine. It is an exhortation for people to return to a good study of the Bible instead of their complete reliance on worthless phrases and statements that have permeated our church culture. These platitudes (such as ‘judge not’) have come to be twisted by the enemy so much that horrible lies have been given life. We now think that anything goes in our churches. We have lost all capacity to rebuke one another. We have raised up pastors like mini-gods. We have made money into idols. We have utterly lost our way because of these platitudes. This article is a condemnation of the rotten doctrines raised by men and a call to return to biblical truth.

      Thus, I am with you when you say we are to be merciful and loving toward our brothers and sisters. Just as Jesus is merciful to us. There just isn’t a doubt about it. I simply reject that horrible platitude and want to throw it in the garbage can.

      As to forgiveness. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps we should forgive those who have never asked for forgiveness. I completely agree with your first reason. We are to release those who have sinned against us, if for no other reason than it frees us from that negative bond that holds us to them in slavery. And your point concerning Christ and Stephen are true. While one could argue that God gave Christ in anticipation of each of our request for salvation (note, not every person will be forgiven), and while one could argue that Christ forgave those that killed him because they were ignorant and thus, innocent, one can’t argue about Stephen. When he called for mercy on his killers, there was no reason given except what can be called mercy. He simply forgave them without any reason given at all. That was a great act from a great man. Pure forgiveness. And Apostle Paul was standing on the sidelines of that one. I can only assume that God put that example in the Bible for us all. If we can’t see Christ’s forgiveness as purely forgiveness for its own sake, then surely one must see Stephen’s as such. Then, in retrospect, one must conclude that Christ’s were also meant to seen as such as well. It wasn’t only because the crowd was ignorant and it wasn’t only because certain people needed to ask for forgiveness. Rather, forgiveness was offered before anyone asked.

      Thank you, Foj, for this brilliant example from the Bible. This forgiveness question has been with me for ages. You are the first one to illustrate it to me successfully. My sister offended me terribly in the past and I have wondered whether I should forgive her or not. I once told her that if she ever wanted me to forgive her, then she had to say, “I’m sorry” first. This was because I had forgiven her so many times in the past without her ever saying those words. She can’t say those words. She prides herself on never saying those words to anyone. She once told me that she never said those words to her children because ‘they will lose faith in me.’ So, one day, she did something to me I considered to be unforgivable. She tried to do something nice (she sent my kids Christmas presents in the mail)- I knew it was her version of ‘I’m sorry.’ But I rejected it and sent it back to her with a note reminding her of my condition that for the first time in her life, she needed to say the words, “I’m sorry”. That was 12 years ago. I haven’t heard a word from her since. In fact, I have only argued with her son, who now also hates me. All because I demanded the words from her.

      I’m not sure how to unravel what has been done. She has never apologized for what she did- which was horrible. What she did is the reason her son hates me- what she did is tell horrible lies that stand until today. I don’t know how to undo it all. I truly don’t. But you have convinced me that I was wrong to send the package back to her. I should have forgiven her- again. Without the words of apology. I should have accepted the token as her apology- even if she didn’t undo the terrible lies she had told. Perhaps over time, she would have done the right thing. By me not doing as God would have me do, I caused her to do even more wrong. And this led to even more hate in my family. My sin led to more sin. And for this, I feel very saddened and convicted. Thank you for your words, my Friend. I have much prayer and consideration to do.

      Of course, you had no idea when you wrote your words what they would mean to me. But that is how it is with God’s children. We can only speak the Truth and it will make others LIVE. Even if it hurts, those who love God will receive the truth. And no matter what, it will produce LIFE. God bless you, Foj… Susan

      • I am so glad you found my comments of benefit to you. It is joyful when we see our actions positively impact another. I’ll assume that your blog has been of much benefit to a lot of people, and also, that you have been blessed by reading comments posted at different times.

        I thank God for the opportunity He has given me to this effect. I also thank Him for your life and appreciate you for your willingness to share your faith and put yourself out there. I pray we all have that boldness to declare our faith and the humility to accept the truth of His Word. May He continue to broaden our understanding as we remain faithful to Him.

        The word of God is difficult on the flesh. But then, it should be. I struggle every now and then with living out certain aspects of scripture. It does kill your flesh when you reach out and be a blessing to those who have hurt you. Our desire should be that they come to repentance, but if they don’t they’ll reap the fruits of what they have sown.

        As I indicated earlier, certain scriptures are a huge challenge. Take the charge we are given in the scriptures below in Matthew. How can we fulfill this if not by His Spirit.

        Matthew 5:43-48 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.”

        Back to the topic of forgiveness. I’ll like to share two reasons I believe we ought to forgive.

        (1) Forgive because we have been forgiven by God. (As we have received forgiveness from God, we should show gratitude by being willing and ready to forgive others)
        (2) Forgive so we can remain forgiven.

        The scriptures below illustrates these principles.

        Matthew 6:12 “And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors.”
        Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

        We also read about the consequences of being unforgiving in Matthew 18:21-35

        God’s forgiveness of our sin is a pivotal part of our salvation. Our entire salvation rests on us being forgiven and adjudged free. Without forgiveness we have no salvation. Therefore it’s a very profound statement that Christ makes in Matthew 6:15 “But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” and Matthew 18:35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

        This is an area we all need help in. Forgiveness is not our natural inclination, it is a product of the new life we have in Christ. In Christ only and by His grace can we truly forgive. We are admonished in Ephesians to put off the old man and put on the new.

        Ephesians 4:20-24 “But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts,  and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.”

        Thank God for His Spirit that enables us to live a holy life. We have to make a conscious effort to forgive, and God by His Spirit will enable us to carry it through, and bring the benefits of forgiveness to us.

        Ephesians 4:32 “And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.”

        Thank you and God bless you too!

  76. God’s love is multifaceted. He can love in one in a sense, and hate, in a sense, at the same time. He loves everyone in the sense that he desires that no wicked man perish, but repent and be saved. At the same time he can hate (extremely dislike) a person who hurts his children. It is very possible to dislike someone and love them at the same time. We need to realize that.

    Jesus said to love our enemy. You can’t get any more plain than that. Our enemy would obviously be a sinner. And the bible says to hate sin: Abhor that which is evil. So there you have it, love the sinner, hate the sin – as biblical as you can get.

    • lol. Hal, why do you feel the need to qualify what God said? If he said, ‘hate’, I believe him. I think he is in command of human language. Your, um, last explanation is rather thin. I don’t think you can just say that because Jesus said to love our enemy, that we should mean we should love ‘sinners’. Under that type of ‘umbrella’ thinking, Jesus actually said to love our neighbor, so we should love ‘sinners’ because everyone is a sinner. But when you look at the phrase, ‘love the sinner, hate the sin’, it isn’t referring to the ‘sinner’ in the same sense as you are. It is attempting to parse the human being from the sin they commit and attempting to tell us where to lay the blame and where to lay the love. Thus, it isn’t attempting to achieve the same thing as Jesus’ commands to love one another. Nice try, though.

      • So, have not all fallen short of Gods Glory? Are you not a sinner? Do you keep the entire law? How could God love the entire world? Who is the one that condemns? So when you see a broken person, you finish them off by telling them how much God hates them? If God really does hate man so much, how do you explain his forgiveness and mercy being extended to all? Is mankind not the apex of God’s creation? Did sin not enter the world? I disagree that sin and mankind cannot be separate. Are you in bondage to yourself or are you in bondage to sin? We all have a sin nature. To say otherwise is a LIE. Only by being born from above can sin be dealt with. Only by abiding in the Lord can we bear fruit. You cannot put God in a box. Many things are not black and white but rather are a heart issue.

      • Hi Paul, I’m not sure how I’ve said anything else. I am a sinner and Jesus has saved me. God does love man so much- so much that he sent his Son to save them. But he HATES sin and yes, he can hate people who do the worst kinds of sin. If these words make you angry, you must speak to the One who spoke them. I am but the messenger. My message is to counter the milquetoast type of Christianity that is pervading the American Church. I am challenging it to tell the full truth of God and Jesus. If people will not accept Christ, they will go to hell. And some people are doing such great evil, that I believe that God will harden their hearts so that they can’t be saved. These are all biblical statements, not meant to harm, but to educate and correct. I believe they are necessary. time is short and many need saving. The weak message and sometimes, non-message, of ‘love’, is simply not reaching those who engage in these activities. BOTH sides of God’s message must be told. Not just one. That is many Christians’ sin: to think they are smarter than God- to cut his message in two- speak on the love and leave out his warning. I believe this is exactly why we aren’t growing the church in America and why the younger generation isn’t listening. It’s boring and irrelevant.

    • Lol, You’re missing the most popular scripture probably in all of the Bible: John 3:13 – For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  77. You know the words to your scriptures, your comprehension in this case is debatable. It’s not up to you nor any human being to judge other human beings, that is up to the Lord, thank God! Preach the word of God and if it is rejected, shake the dust off your shoes and go away from the sinner. Take care to not to commit any sin before you pass away, otherwise according to your thinking, you just might end up in hell – right? We don’t have a license to sin, however God’s grace is what it is. His shed blood covers past and future sins while we inhabit this earth. Please don’t take yourself so seriouly that you think you are without sin until the day you die. If you do believe this then may be you should stop pretending to be God and get to know the loving God that He is. Short Little Rebel, really? Who was the very first Rebel in biblical history? Could it be ….. Satan?

    • Robert, apparently, you think that the Scripture and ‘understanding’ are two different things. They aren’t. There is nothing hidden in scripture. What I always find amusing when people want to obey only the parts of scripture they wish to obey is that they never actually back their opinions. You say I have no understanding and yet, you don’t say what the proper understanding of these scriptures are. No one who protests against these scriptures have provided a different meaning or understanding to them than what they blatantly say. They say what they say, it seems to me. Yet, there continue to be those like you who are determined to say that these words mean.. what?… nothing? Do you then call God a liar? Or do you say that this part of the Bible is a lie? Is God tricking you? Is God schizophrenic? Is he insane? Or does he mean what he say? Is he a sane, logical, thoughtful, INTELLIGENT God who can put two thoughts together and mean what he says without contradiction? I say that God is all these things and take him at his word. I TRUST in his judgement and don’t try to make him in my image. Rather, I will allow myself to be molded unto HIS image. Whatever he says is my law. But you and those like you hate what he says. Would you then call yourself his Child? How can that be? If you were his child, you would love every word out of his mouth. IF you didn’t know his words before now, you would be surprised, but you would instantly accept them with joy once you knew them. You would be ready and excited to change your world view the moment you saw his new words you never knew before. That is how I am. If I was ignorant before and then someone brought me words I had never seen before due to lack of study or enlightenment, I celebrate my new understanding. But you curse it. You wish to remain in your old understanding because you love your own understanding better than God’s. What can I say? You love your own thinking even though it is in disagreement with God’s. If I were you, I would stop and think for a moment. Do you or don’t you believe that the Bible is the Word of God? It is either 100% true or 100% false. There is no logical in-between. There really isn’t. And if you say it is, then if your understanding of the Bible can’t encompass ALL of God’s word, then guess what? YOU have the WRONG understanding and need to STUDY, pray and learn. You are NOT to continue stubbornly in your old thought processes that fail to include all his words. They are all true because God never lies and his thinking is ALWAYS logical and true. Thus, you are wrong. There is no other logical conclusion.

      • Robert, In the world today, the admonition not to “judge” is frequently used to place a virtual gag order over those who would speak up against popular and accepted world practices. The word judge has been so perverted that to judge anything is now considered by many to be anti-Christian behavior, and anyone who does so is likely to be labeled as an “accuser of the brethren.”

        Is it true that Christians are told not to judge? The simple answer is no. In fact, according to Scripture those who do not judge are more likely to be led astray by false doctrines and are less effective witnesses for Christ.

        Scriptures clearly show that throughout time God has imparted to man the authority to judge (Leviticus 19:15; Deuteronomy 1:16; Deuteronomy 16:18; Judges 2:16-19; II Chronicles 19:5; Ezra 7:25; Isaiah 1:17; Ezekiel 23:45; John 7:24; Romans 2:27; I Corinthians 2:15; I Corinthians 6:). In Zechariah 3:7 God states that He gives those who obey Him the authority to judge, “Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.” There are also additional references in Scripture to this process of judging that may not specifically use the word judge. For example, in the original languages, the words translated as judge in Scripture are also translated examine, search, discern, ask, question, contend, esteem, and determine.

        In the Old Testament, God specifically identified those who were set in positions as Judges over His people as chronicled in the Book of Judges. We also see that one responsibility of the prophets was to declare God’s judgment to the people (Judges 4:4; II Samuel 12:1-12; Micah 3:1-8; Malachi 4:4; Hosea 6:5). In Ezra 7:25, it states that those who judge serve two purposes: 1). To judge those who know the law; and 2). To teach the law to those who do not know.

        When citing God’s “command” not to judge, people often refer to Matthew 7:1, however, let’s look at the complete Scripture in context. “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”(Matthew 7:1-5)

        Jesus clearly says do not judge so that you will not be judged, but to whom is He speaking? He identifies His audience in verse 5 with the words “Thou hypocrite.” Jesus is not forbiding Christians to judge (unless He is calling every Christian a hypocrite). He is warning that we will be held accountable for what we know. In other words, if we know enough about sinful behavior to tell others that it is wrong, then we have no excuse as to why that sin would be present in our lives. This is consistent with Paul’s advice in I Corinthians 11:31-32 that we judge ourselves first so that we will not be judged. As Jesus says in verse 5, we should cast the beam out of our own eye and then we are in position to point out the fault to others.

        In truth, God does not forbid us to judge, but He sets up conditions wherein we must judge.

      • Just so, Karen. In addition, people are so incorrect if they believe that the precept and conditions set forth in the Old Testament are somehow negated by Christ’s birth. They aren’t at all. He came and fulfilled the need for sacrifices and wiped out the idea of clean vs. unclean things to eat and so forth. But God and his dictates concerning morality, his wishes and desires, his personality, etc, are all the same. He never changes and neither do his opinions. He is the same God as always. What he said in the Old Testament still goes. Some things have simply been fulfilled. That’s all. Thank you for your comment. So few understand. It is refreshing when someone does.

    • Robert Norris, you are just another foolish person who ignores God’s word and falsely accuses others. I read this whole article and cannot find where the author judged anyone. You are just upset because the messages goes against what you want. All you want is a “feel good” message, you don’t want the truth, you only want your ears tickled:
      2 Timothy 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

      The worst part about you is your lie about judging, we can judge, you are falsely accusing the author of judging when he never did, but even if he did, we are allowed to judge.1 Corinthians 2:15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
      Reading your post I see you are not spiritual, I’m betting the author is, so you have no right to judge him, but he does have the right to judge others.

      In fact, I’ll include the previous verse, because it talks about you. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

      Funny how you mention preach, then say if they don’t want to hear it, walk away, that’s not the message I get from the Bible, read this verse: 2 Timothy 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

      That is exactly what the author is doing, reproving and rebuking, just as the Bible says. And you, to go against him, puts you in the wrong, the wrong side of God’s word, the wrong side of God.

      • Hello Constitution Defender. You are right, of course. And you are doing what needs to be done- trying to teach this Christian the Word. Too many Christians don’t read the Bible. I am guilty of being one of those when I was young. I believed so many wrong things because I believe ‘doctrine’ and generalized sayings but I had never actually read or studied the Bible. That is why we have liberal Christians in America. We must, as Christians, continue to exhort one another to read the Bible. When I wrote this article, my aim was not for anyone to hate one another. I am trying to shock people to awaken. I want them to rush to their Bibles for the truth. I want to challenge them to prove me wrong with SCRIPTURE! That is my whole goal with my blog. Bring people to God’s Word. We can’t have people lazily following doctrine or word of mouth anymore. It is time for people to mature and take in the MEAT of Scripture!

  78. Hi, ran across your article while searching for an old Christian book. Not sure why it came up.

    Anyway, I am in agreement with this article and most of what I glanced over in your responses to others. I have made this argument for years and always included the Rom 9 passage, “Jacob I loved, Esau I hated.” Along with the Psalms 5 and 11 verses. I’ve had people argue that “hate” doesn’t mean hate, but “love less.” Really? Then those folks still have a problem to deal with and that is why their God, who loves everybody the same, loves Esau less. The word in Greek is used in other places, so I ask anyone commenting on this to use a concordance and see what the word means and how it is used. One reference that comes to mind, is this word is used I believe, when it is said that, “they hated Him without cause.” Could that mean “love less”? That hatred was so intense, it called for Jesus to be crucified! Loved less just doesn’t get it.

    I think you are absolutely correct in admonishing your readers to consider the whole counsel of God, not just the scriptures that makes you feel good. So many finite humans think that God/Jesus has to fit into their parameters of reality and that they have to be able to explain all the thinking/words of an infinite God. The fact that there are paradoxes in the Word that our little heads can’t understand doesn’t bother me at all. If I/we could absorb all that the Lord has said, would He truly be God? I.E. the incarnation, trinity, or the sovereignty of God and the responsibility of man for his sins. Can these be explained to anyone’s satisfaction?

    “Faith receives what reason is unable to grasp”

    I need to go look for this book. Appreciate your ministry/blog. Keep up the good fight.

    Ever heard of the video series Church Outside the Walls? Or, one of my favorite authors Frank Viola? Saw your post about the church and the gay issue. These could be good resources for you if you are looking for fellowship. Believe it or not, the traditional church is really the traditions of men and not the NT model at all. Mark 7:1-ff

    Blessings.

    • Dear Bob, I agree that our modern church looks nothing like the new testament church. I yearn to find or create a church that looks like it should. It sounds so relaxing and fun and educational. what we have today makes the church too vulnerable to collapse. It depends on ONE MAN. Boy, what church can survive that? Every person sins. The church is a body of believers. When one sins, it’s no big deal. The church goes on. Only the pride of mankind sets up the modern church as we see it today. It should be exceptionally simple. No tithe is necessary and in fact, it is unbiblical. It supported the Levite priesthood which was done away with. If the church, as a body, wants to buy a building, then the people should pay for it in a reasonable way. But a tithe of 10%? that’s not biblical. If the church decides to hire one of the members to take care of the building or to do a full time job, then.. well, pay them and collect money accordingly. But again, it’s not a biblical command. It is what the Body decided to do and needs to then fulfill. But it’s not a biblical command. It is whatever that particular Body decided to do for their particular gathering. A body could just as well meet in someone’s house and have no expenses at all. Just pot luck it on Sundays.

      I like that model immensely. In any case, I’ll try to look into your recommendations. thank you.. Susan

      • Thanks for getting back. I’m curious as to who are some of your favorite Christian authors. Most if not all the believers I know spent some time studying/reading other people, especially authors from years ago.

        I have done house church off and on since the mid 80’s. I made a decision about 5 or 6 years back that regardless what happens, I would never go back to the “traditional/institutional” church. There is nothing there that interests me. People there are more concerned with “doing” church, instead of “being” the church.
        BTW-have you ever studied the meaning of the word “church” in the NT? Contrary to popular opinion, it NEVER means a building. It basically means, “the ones called out”. I’d encourage you to look into that if you haven’t. I recommend Frank Viola as he is who I would consider one of the best contemporary voices for house church. He also has a book entitled “Pagan Christianity” which exposes pretty much all of what fundamental Christians think is biblical church as Pagan, or not of biblical origin. The videos I mentioned in the previous post contain clips from folks who have left the traditional church and also scripture explanation for house church, etc.

        There are reasons God wanted His people to meet in smaller, intimate settings, i.e. houses. Look in the NT, there are around 50 uses of the expression “one another” that we are supposed to be doing. Ask yourself how you can accomplish this while sitting in a pew on Sunday watching what I call the 5P approach. Pre-planned, paid professional, performance. Today’s church doesn’t even offer it’s attendee’s the courtesy of asking any questions or making any comments about what the speaker just presented. Public school at least lets you do that!

        Christ and Paul etal, dialogued with their hearers, which has been researched as the best way to learn something. Hands on, after instruction. The pastor’s job is supposed to train the people to minister themselves. I think that is in Eph 3 or 4. There are so many things wrong in our churches today, I’d be writing for hours. If we have so many people growing by attending church, why is the country so corrupt? Where are the voices for Christ/God? We’re too busy doing, instead of busy learning, meditating, and spending quiet time with Him. Works still dominates over grace, which is religion, not Christianity.

        One of the greatest, amongst many problems in the church is this. If you want to compromise a person in regards to there morality, ethics, integrity, etc. write them a pay check. Remember, Paul boasted that he would not take money for ministering the gospel. Funny, in my 38 years as a follower of Christ, I’ve yet to meet a pastor who took that same position. Hmm. Jesus gave us salvation for free. Freely you have received, freely give. How can a minister (I use that term loosely) sell his words (speeches) for $.

        Got to go. Prayers to you.

      • Bob, you can’t know how completely I agree with you. I have been contemplating the idea of a house church myself. I just feel hamstrung as a woman. But then again, I don’t believe the NT churches had a pastor at all. And Phoebe served as a deacon. So, there is that precedent of female leadership. I can at least organize a church. I don’t believe in getting paid either. I agree with everything you said and could add to it, but as you said, it would take all day. I only read one author and that is C.S. Lewis. After that, it is the Bible. No other author seems trustworthy. Certainly no modern writer. I have been curious to look into some older writers, however. I believe there existed some truly esoteric men who believed passionately in what they wrote. There was no money in writing then. They wrote because they cared. They wrote for the intellectual importance of furthering biblical understanding. So, I would like to look at some of those types of writings. But nothing modern. The Bible has enough wisdom for a million lifetimes. I’m still breaking my mind on it. In any case, nice hearing from you, Susan

      • To Another Bob. While I agree with many of the things u said, u cannot generalize. I’m from Jamaica and my Bishop & Pastor works like any normal person. Freely he got the gospel freely he gives it. U r correct, u have never met a Pastor that is like my Pastor, but u make it sound has if u never will. U haven’t traveled the entire world to know that, and ur statement sounds absolute. But apart from that I agree with u about so many issues in the church this day. This article from short little rebel I found after coming out of prayer with this same topic on my mind, hating the sin & not the sinner. God is speaking here and he would never have given it to me if it wasn’t a concern for Him. I’ve always tried to investigate these statements made by people, many not even christians, that supposed christians love to follow. I love studying the word because I like to see & understand the evidence myself & get my interpretation from the Holy Ghost. Thank u….. Rohan

  79. Susan-I like that more than the Short Little Rebel moniker. I get it though 🙂

    I can tell you a book that had such a dramatic impact on me that I rank it right below the scriptures. Title is “The Sovereignty of God” by Arthur Pink. I was sort of weaned on some of his writings early on and find him to be way above modern writers. He died in 1952, but referenced many of the old solid Christian authors from centuries before. This book will rock your world if you can receive what he is talking about. Of course, I think, actually know now, what is in it, is true to the Word. I haven’t read it lately, I usually browse through my underlines every so often, so I can’t say that I agree with everything he says, but probably 99%. I would recommend most anything he has written. Early on he was a dispensationalist, so there may be some of that, but he left that view fairly early I think. If you feel lead, check out at least this one.

    Regarding the church problem. Do you have some like-minded folks that you fellowship with? If so, I’d suggest talking to them and praying together about starting a group. I believe women had a bigger role in Jesus’ ministry than many think and He did open the door to equality with men in Christ. We are all the same in that respect. You know the reference, “there is now no longer Jew/Gentile, male/female etc. in Christ.” There would be no problem with you hosting meetings and even facilitating them. My position on house church that had no recognized elders/overseers, was that the host/hostess of the place we met, would just make sure the time was used in an honoring manner and mainly listen to the Lord for direction. Even among my brethren, listening to the Lord was somewhat uncomfortable. We have to get over that, shut our mouths and turn the racket off in our heads! “be still and know that I’m the Lord.”

    Again, if you want some really good info on house church, please check out Frank Viola’s work. He has quite a bit of literature/books on the subject. Website also.

    Reading your comments to the detractors, shows how biblically illiterate some them are. I agree, about reading the bible 100%. But, I’ve met too many “bible readers” who were frankly dumb as rocks. They had no ability to critique the nonsense they heard from the pulpit/TV/radio/Gov’t, and so on. I’d show them scripture that refuted their poor understanding and they had no answer. Just like many of your commenters. They’re kind of like talking to liberals, HA! They have no bull filters in place. Little to no discernment. They are babes craving pablum and no meaty food. Really a sad state of affairs in this country. “There is a famine in the land, not for food, but for the Word of the Lord.” My para-phrase.

    Yeah, just where are all those pastors in the NT? I can find apostles, prophets, evangelists, and teachers, but no one referred to as “pastor.” The protestants made this up to counter the Catholic’s “priests” and assumed more authority than they should. Paul gave detailed qualifications to be an elder/overseer (bishop???), and seminaries and bible colleges applied this title to people seeking to get a degree to be a pastor. Unfortunately, the ability/aptitude to teach is listed about 7th in that list. Being blameless is first. Character is what Paul is looking for, not a degree. Paul discounted his time with Gamaliel as basically worthless. That was Jewish seminary. I’d rather sit at the feet of Christ than a seminary prof. I am self taught in things of the Spirit and Word.

    You can just email me direct if you’d like since I might forget to get back to this article. It’s really great to find another soldier fighting the good fight, especially in SF CA 🙂

    I’ve checked the boxes below to receive emails, but haven’t rec’d anything. Is that working automatically, or do you have to manually notify?

    In His Grace,
    Bob

    • Hi Bob, I’m not sure how the email works on WordPress. You didn’t get notification that I responded to your last remark? Also, I just wrote a new article. Did you receive notification that I wrote it? I guess this is a little test! If you get the email, you will get this message! Susan

      • Hi-have never rec’d an email including today (3:36 CDT) regarding your replies or the new article. Since we have been talking about things other than this article, is there a better place for our comments?
        Boxes are checked again.
        Thanks

      • i hope this comment goes to the right place, short rebel. i have no comment other than, i am in agreement. the current state of the church…is not what he intended. way to skewed. really enjoy your writing (teaching). have a good evening, and if i never get to meet you down here…i know i will see you up there at the marriage supper. follow the lamb! love you…..

  80. God is patient with us, why? Because he loves us… evident by John 3:16.
    There is a time for love and a time to hate.
    This is the dispensation of Grace. Which is Gods love. He loves even the sinners. And its Gods love that leads us to repententance. When the day of judgement comes, and it will, then God’s wrath will be poured out on unrepentant sinners. Until then we are to tell the truth in Love and spread the Gospel… be gentle…it is written.

    • Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

      36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

      37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

      The genuine Love and grace of God point all to Jesus.

  81. I was looking for the essence of sin, how God sees sin, it is very well explained in your article, i was under the misconception what the title says, it is magnificently clarified, thank you.

  82. Thank you, I needed this! I felt pressured by church and family to forgive my son for some of the choices he and his wife have made. But after reading this blog I realized that God is not just “Love” as some claim. He doesn’t forgive all of us. He doesn’t love all of us. I feel relieved to no longer have to “forgive” my family, and that its okay to hate them. I used to worry about hating other people in other countries because they were not Christians, I thought it made me a hypocrite and I always bit my tongue. But I feel lighter after reading your post, I feel as though its okay to hate those that were not born into Grace and to know in my heart that God doesn’t struggle with their children and their fate. God hates those children and now I know that I can too. Thank you!

    • Lorie, I don’t know if your comment is a scam or is sarcasm but as I can’t really tell, I will take it seriously. Listen, Lorie, if you took this article to mean that you don’t need to forgive people in your life, then I can only think that you were looking for ANY excuse not to. That is not what this article says. You MUST forgive those who trespass against you as Christ has forgiven you. At least, you must try your best. Furthermore, you must do your best to love your son and daughter in law. Jesus told you to do this. You are not God. Don’t look around the internet hoping to find articles that might help you disobey what you know Christ commanded you to do. In any case, you have ALL your commands from GOD and JESUS given to you in your Bible. Is my blog a bible, woman? I am a flawed woman, as yourself. Don’t you dare use me or any other human being as your EXCUSE to disobey your God. You have the Bible in front of you. You are without excuse when you see your Lord, Jesus on the day of judgement. It spells out your duties as a Christian plainly. Leave my blog out of it.

  83. Short Little Rebel you must think you are better than everybody else as if you’ve never sinned. Well you’re not! You’re just as much of a sinner as every single one of us! Frankly I would rather go to Hell than go to Heaven if people like you are gonna be there! I would rather perish than accept the so-called “free gift” of salvation that God offers! It’s not free! I would have to earn it which is impossible to begin with so I’m doomed anyway! I’m done with people like you and I’m done with God and Jesus! Don’t assume I’m telling you to stop believing in God the way that you because I’m not. I respect your beliefs and it’s obvious that they work for you. Just don’t waste your time trying to convince me to change. God will unleash His vengeance upon me and eventually burn me alive forever so I have accepted and my eternal destiny which is eternal damnation. God hates me and so does Jesus. If u hate me too Short Little Rebel that’s fine with me.. I don’t care anymore anyway…I’m going to Hell!

    • Francisco, I’m sorry I didn’t see this comment before today but it got tied up in my spam filter. Did I say I never sinned? I wholeheartedly agree that I am a sinner. I don’t hate you and neither does God. That is, I highly doubt it- especially as you are reaching out like this. This article is not for you, Francisco. If you felt it was, then I apologize, my dear. Calm down. This article is mostly for Christians who refuse to tell the whole truth about God to nonbelievers. It is also for those who hate God, mock God and try to take others along with them to hell. It isn’t for those who wish to find God. For those who are seeking God, there is no hate, there is only love.

      Francisco, it is clear to me that you are depressed and troubled. May I take a guess? Are you having same sex relationships? Is this what this is all about? Is this why you feel that God hates you? Is this why you feel so hopeless?

      If this is so, I want you to know that God most certainly doesn’t hate you. You are simply a human being like the rest of us. You suffer from lust- well, join the human race. I’m no better than you. I suffer from sin just as you do. We ALL have an answer to our sins and a WAY out. Even though you don’t want to share a heaven with me and say you don’t want the free gift of life, I will tell you again that Jesus has given it to all mankind- you too. And hey, heaven is a big place. I’m sure we won’t see each other at all. So cheer up!

  84. sigh.. I get what the author is saying but I am still so confused. What about the Bible verses that say nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christian Jesus, our Lord? And please don’t come at me with harsh words, saying I only want to hear the parts that please me and whatever. I am genuinely just trying to seek the truth..

    • Hi Katlyn, I won’t come at you with harsh words. Love is the highest agenda for God. No doubt about it. I wrote this article, not to say that God hates. Not to say that Jesus hates. Not to say that you should hate. I wrote this article in utter frustration because too many Christian rely on phrases like, “Love the sinner, hate the sin” and think it is scripture, when it is not. I am frustrated with American political correctness and the way our churches practice ‘religion’. I am frustrated at the way people say things like, “Well, I LIVE my faith. I don’t need to speak my faith. I am a living testimony,” when that is not what Jesus commanded us to do. I am frustrated by the way American Christians seem to believe that ‘love’ equals a failure to tell the full truth about Christ and salvation and what will happen to all of us when we die. Perhaps I forget that some people will only read this one article of mine. Perhaps I assume that people will read many of my article and get to know me and my overall beliefs. For that, I apologize. But people must understand that God is also a fierce, justice seeking God. Those who will not come to Christ will face death. I have tried to find scripture that might suggest that hell might be avoided- that perhaps a mere ‘snuffing out’ might happen for those who might not be ‘so bad’. But it seems to me that there will indeed be a place where there will be a ‘gnashing of teeth’ and terrible grief and sorrow. Gratefully, I can’t see how long that will last for everyone. I can only pray for mercy for those who go there, Katlyn. But I want people to know that God is not fooling around. Neither is Jesus.

      Isn’t it better to tell them now than to let them find out the hard way? I wrote this article to give a cold splash in the face of Christian and non Christian alike. I meant it to stir up controversy a little bit. I want people to wake up and sit up and pay attention. I want those who reject Christ to fear God in a new way. I do! My pastor read this great statement from an old theologian. It was about grabbing onto every sinner’s legs as they go to hell. Fighting to save them- anything at all before they leave! This is my attempt to grab their knees! If I have to slap them in the face or make them mad at me, I will. Anything to make them pause and THINK before they blithely run to hell.

      I suspect, my dear Katlyn, that most Christians truly hate this article, as well as some of my others, because they are afraid to tell people the truth about God. And I know why, too. It’s uncomfortable. And it’s dangerous. You lose friends when you tell the truth about God. People become afraid of him. People don’t want to hear all this about him. They want only the love and salvation part. And they definitely shoot the messenger. And my cries to tell the truth? Well, that doesn’t make me popular either. Katlyn, I think you know what I’m saying here. God DOES love the world- or he wouldn’t have sent his Son to save it. But he is a fearsome God. Those who spit in his Son’s face will not find heaven. They will find hell instead. And that is the awful truth.

  85. the reason why we say love the sinner but hate the sin is because sinners can be changed. You are not allowed to hate anybody. Read your bible well, the bible says God is kind to the unthankful and sendeth his rain to the just and unjust. We were once sinners but by the grace of God we have been changed. You need to edit your article because your doctrine has flaws. Without loving the sinner you will not be able to evangelise and save his or her soul from death. Make sure you correct this article.

  86. Thanks for the bold article. These are things I’ve been struggling with, how can I love certain people….seperate the sin from the sinner? I feel I have a foundation for deeper revelation from God. PS I’M A LITTLE REBEL TOO, TOTAL CHRISTIAN ZEALOT!

    • Hi Elizabeth, I do hope you understand that this article doesn’t free anyone from the need to forgive their brothers and sisters. Nor does it free all of us from the need to love one another. This article was written in order to challenge those in the church who refuse to teach the whole truth about God- ie, that he hates sin and those who commit the most grievous of them sometimes. But that doesn’t give any of us the right to do so. Don’t use this article as an excuse to hate or to not forgive anyone, ok?

  87. Re-read the Bible. is it not written ? GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON —Jesus

    God hates sin, but he will ALWAYS LOVE the sinner. God was angry but he
    Never said ” I hate you ”

    Let me ask you one thing
    Do you hate yourself? Do you hate people? Jesus says ” love yourself as you love thy neighbor”
    Hatred comes from Satan. However sin is the one thing God does hate.
    ” Whoever is without sin cast the first stone”
    Are you saying you never knowingly went against Christ ?

    JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS FOR OUR SINS. AND BEFORE HE DIED, A THIEF SAID TO HIM ” LORD… REMEMBER ME, WHEN YOU COME INTO YOUR KINGDOM ” AND JESUS SAID ” I WILL SEE YOU IN PARADISE”

    Did it say the thief asked for forgiveness? NO, he said REMEMBER ME.

    So I ask once more. Do you hate everyone? Cause if you think for a second our love is stronger than GODS…..you’re dead wrong. WAKE UP!
    Our love comes from God.

    Gods love is unconditional NOT with conditions.
    Yes, Jesus says ” you must forgive to be forgiven” and that unforgiveness will keep alot of people out of heaven.
    BUT NOT ONCE DOES IT SAY……” I CAST YOU INTO THE FIREY LAKE OF FIRE ” ” OR THE BLACK PIT INTO NOTHINGNESS BECAUSE I HATE YOU”

    Nowhere does it say those things.
    Now I’m not a professional when it comes to the Bible and I am only 18.
    However I too have read the Bible.

    And you WILL be held accountable for anyone lead astray. For wrong teachings YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.

    Go back! And re-read the Bible, ask God.
    ” Do you hate the sinner too?” If you so think youre right ASK GOD!

    • Hi Leda, I don’t think God hates people in general. I do believe that God loves us unconditionally. I wrote this article to counter a culture that has forgotten the wrath of God and has forgotten that God hates sin very much. And he also does mention hating those who commit the worst of sins. I wrote this article, not to frighten those who already love God, but to frighten those who mock God, those who detest him and those who call him names, make evil memes of him on social media and use his name with such great mockery. I also wrote this article to frighten those Christians who are so ready to allow sin in their lives and those of everyone they know- not because they are forgiving, but because they are cowards. They are ashamed of the name of Jesus and so, cower when evil people around them laugh at his name. They smile when those around them commit the worst of sins. They agree with the most evil people as they are sinning in the church. They refuse to stand up and say what needs to be said. I am not addressing young people, people who wish to know God’s will or people who want to clean up their lives. God’s love and forgiveness was sent for them. But for those who are willfully evil and gleefully mocking of the name of Jesus, I want them to see these verses and I want them to tremble at them. That is the point of this article. Sometimes, I do think about taking this article down because it has frightened the wrong people. You are very young and I can see that you have been scared by it. But I admire how you have stood up and spoken your mind!! smiles. I think you will be ok, Leda! You will be a great defender of Christ and a real witness for him in your life! You go, girl! If you read more of my blog, you will see what I am about and why I write. Especially if you read more of my recent stuff. I am a mother of three, a stay at home mom and a lover of Jesus Christ, my Lord and savior. I write for his sake and for all who might come to him. I have dedicated this entire blog to his will. I am not perfect and none of my articles are perfect. I have definitely gotten into trouble for speaking the best truth that I know. I hope you now understand why I wrote this article and to whom I wrote it. All the verses I wrote are true and are in the Bible. I believe that God wishes people to fear him. In fact, he says so many times. People today need to remember this- and only in this way can they find true wisdom and truly love God.

  88. I stumbled upon your article because I was trying to prove that God hates pride so much that he never used the word to describe how he felt about his people. I read all the comments that were posted. I agree with you on all points. People want to sugarcoat God’s word no matter the cost to the sinner or themselves. I get in trouble a lot for telling people they are going to hell if they don’t repent. Anyway to add to your point that women are able to lead I always point to Deborah whom God appointed judge over all Israel. When I began my journey with God my grandmother would always quote “Study to show thyself approved, a workman that needed not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.” Most people don’t realize the role that history played in the word of God. They probaly skip over the parts where Paul lets us know that he is stating his opinion and not God’s. Be blessed my sister and may God continue to endue you with wisdom from on high.

    • Hi Sandra, While I am ashamed of losing my temper on many of the commenters here, I know that the article still is true. You are right about Deborah, of course. Also, the same Paul who said those things in Timothy said that “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” in Galatians. Also, when the disciples said to Jesus that his family wanted to see him, even though there was a crowd already there (as if they were special), ” 48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.” thus forever equating all of mankind forever. Jesus also said that we would not be given over in marriage in heaven, thus indicating that we won’t even have a sex in heaven. So, any man who tried to use those few sentences of Paul to say that, somehow, men are given spiritual authority over women would make Jesus and Paul liars- Paul, a liar to himself! It’s clear that the interpretation is incorrect. The real interpretation of Paul’s words to women and slaves and Gentile women (concerning head covers) was to bend their pride to the PEACE of the church- to the smooth functioning of the church. The new church was having all kinds of trouble BECAUSE of the incredible EQUALITY Jesus had just created with his words!! Suddenly, Gentiles and Jews, men and women, slave and masters were EQUAL??? And all to worship side by side in church? Unheard of! That’s also why the Romans began to kill Christians. Caesar couldn’t have plebeians believing they were equal to him- HE was a god! Jewish women were upset that Grecian women didn’t cover their heads. Men were upset that illiterate and unschooled women were suddenly asking a million questions and disturbing church discussions. Masters were upset because slaves were acting ‘uppity’ around them in church. It was a radical, social upheaval all happening overnight. Paul said, “WE ARE ALL SLAVES TO CHRIST!” and he also said he would do anything rather than offend a weaker Christian, including never eating meat again, if that led a weak Christian to sin before God. In his mind, it was better to self sacrifice than to create problems in the church. Just do it! was his model. Who cares? Would have been another motto. None of these things were important to him- nor should they be to us. We sacrifice to the greater good. However, it is the man today who wants to unjustly subjugate the prophetess who knows more about the bible than him who is the one who must give way. HE is the odd man out. Things have changed.

  89. I love your articles. They bring up so many things people are thinking about but may be afraid to ask or even think about. You would probably get along great with Penn Gillette famous magician, He is a big time evangelistic atheist and he lets everyone know. He went to church as a kid but asked so many questions they could not or did not want to answer they politely asked him to leave.

    And as far as God getting revenge or perhaps a better way of stating it is bringing justice, I can attest to that. Several events in my life but the big one… the murder of my cat by a gang of black thugs and their fighting dogs at my front porch. Because i turned him in to the police he stole my bike and taunted me “My dog killed your cat.” What made it worse was my pastor and others in the church were not sympathetic nor supportive. When I told them that on the way to church he had verbally attacked me, they said my heart was in the wrong place about my cat. I felt like i had been thrown over the cliff by those who said they loved me. But God showed me that the leader who was only 17 was going to live a short nothing life even though I wanted forgiveness for him so he could know Jesus. He only lived 7 years more and was shot/killed at night riding his 4-wheeler. he was also a drug dealer. I do not own a gun.

    p.s. somewhere you mentioned your rapist is suing you for telling who he is on your blog…how can he do that? If he is guilty you are not telling a lie. Why would you pick out that name of an innocent man and say he did something bad to you. What would you get out of it? By his lawsuit, now isn’t the burden of proof on him to prove he did not commit the crime?

    My 12 year old cousins got a hold of me and used me for kissing practice in their basement when I was 5 years old (almost 60 years ago) and pulled my dress up over my head (the main reason I hate wearing dresses, have not in years and no longer do) that is not a lie and why would i make up stuff about those i have not seen in decades?

    • Hi Esbee, I don’t think God would have any of us perish. He would have all of us saved. I wrote this article to shock the milquetoast modern church into awareness. They only tell half of the truth about God. They need to tell the whole truth. My point wasn’t that God would hate or abandon such a guy as the one that killed your cat. Or even to bring an early death in order to seek justice for you. I don’t think he would do that. My point is that God can be full of wrath for those who do serious evil in this world. There are leaders in this world who do far, far worse things than that young man did to your cat. They lead thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands to their deaths. Some of the people can’t sleep unless they plan evil that day. These are the ones I speak of. They are the ones who have to worry about God’s wrath. But all of us have to understand that God is also a God of justice- that means that he won’t allow us to live if we don’t come to Christ as we should. So many think that God is this kind, grandpa kind of fellow. He’s not. He will exact perfect justice. That can be scary, which is why the modern church so rarely talks about it. But the full truth must be told. That is the purpose of this article. To validate, in the Bible’s own words, that God is exactly who he is.

  90. I had to scroll through a lot of comments to make my comment. LOL Anyway, Susan. Thank you for your article. I found it refreshing to hear someone with a perspective that wasn’t cliche. I was just recently awakened to this truth about who God loves. Because I like so many others had always heard, God loves the sinner but hates the sin,I had always assumed that to be the case. I was reading in one of the gospels recently Jesus saying that if someone loves their parents or children more than Him,that they weren’t even worthy of Him. In other passage we are told that if we deny God,He would deny us and iif reject Him,He would reject us. I believe the church has tried to dumb down the sovereignty and holiness of God. We try to weaken His word by which He spoke the worlds into existence and we have forgotten to whom we pray that the Lord our God indeed is mighty. With that said,because of a passage I read in Deuteronomy 7:10 that says ….and repays those who hate Him to their face,by destroying them;He will not be slack to him who hates Him,but will requite him to his face. This verse that I read just yesterday caused me to consider, does God love everybody? Does God love the sinner bit hate the sin? Is this phrase man made or is it based on the truth of God’s word? So I came across your article on my search for answers to these questions. I had concluded before reading your position, that those statements were probably one of the many things we christians do and say to make people feel better,but I agree with your statements. I will continue to study to show myself approved to myself and to my God,the Lord Jesus Christ. You keep crying aloud and sparing not. Keep lifting your voice like a trumpet. Stay blessed!

    • Hi Renee, thanks. I have thought about this article soooo many times. there are times when I feel like ripping it down! Why? Because so many Christians insist on misreading it or insist on putting some other meaning in my mouth- even though I clearly make my point. It has been so frustrating to me that I have truly thought about getting rid of this one. But somehow, I can never bring myself to do it. Every time I read it, I think, “Well, it is the truth. Why should I remove the truth just because no one wants to hear it?” If Christians insist, through either discomfort or maliciousness to say that I am saying God hates people, then what can I do? I think I am being very clear. God IS to be feared. Jesus told us that clearly. So, for all those who would claim that somehow God changed his character or that the Old testament is ‘dead’, Jesus told the truth of the situation- he said, ‘FEAR GOD’. You are so correct that churches today water God down to make people feel more comfortable. But if the church told the full truth about God, would there be rampant acceptance of the sexual depravity we have in our nation now? I don’t think so. Would there be ‘baby mamas’ and baby daddy’s’ without even the thought of marriage? I don’t think so. Would there be laziness and lack of education when so much is given for free in our nation? I don’t think so. it is BECAUSE we don’t fear God that we don’t obey him. It is the sad nature of mankind. Without fear, there is no obedience. Respect/obedience/love- they all go together for people. Sadly. What a beautiful being we would be if we could love for love’s sake.

      To answer your question, the saying, “Love the sinner, hate the sin’ is 100% manmade. It is not in the bible. Nor, to me, is it biblical. I understand what it is trying to say, but people are led greatly astray because of it. I detest these types of popular phrases because people begin to believe them more than actual scripture. It’s not healthy. I hate doctrine. The Bible is the Bible. Doctrine is man’s way of trying to explain Scripture so that people can better understand it. But when church leaders DARE to teach doctrine rather than scripture itself and call it ‘holy’, then, to me, it is SIN. So many churches do this now. The best defense for this is for every Christian to read the bible. But one may not only read the bible in isolation. One must read the bible with the teaching of the Holy Spirit. You must call on God, through sincere, loving and HUMBLE prayer, to send you the Holy Spirit BEFORE you read the bible so that he can teach you its meaning. THEN you can read it with GOD’S instruction. You will get more from that then you will ever get from MAN’S opinion. That much, I guarantee.

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