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Short Little Rebel’s View On Abortion

Ok!  Now that everyone has had a good nights sleep, I think we need to talk about what happened last night.  Much as I would like to act like it didn’t happen, it wouldn’t be right for me or for any of my readers that were seriously offended or ‘shocked’ that I could feel this way.  The thing I feel most compelled to address is some of your reactions to the news that as far as law goes, I would allow a legal abortion for women at the very earliest stage of pregnancy.

I will tell you that I am shocked, not by your opinion but by your almost psychotic reaction to this information.  And the only reason I want to address that is because I feel, to my bone, that it was wrong.  Yes, wrong.  Bordering on hate.  There comes a time when passion turns into hate.  We have discussed every difficult topic known to man on this forum.  And not one person has ever lost their mind over it.  We have discussed the worst forms of depravity known to man- the worst being the hatred of God.  And no one lost their minds.  But this one topic sends some Christians into orbit.

Some of you began to treat me like the enemy.  Some thought it was so monstrous that I would allow a woman who has been raped by her father to abort the baby if she chose to that you became paranoid and thought someone evil had hacked my page!  Some thought I was the devil himself because I have enough compassion for a rape victim to make a decision between herself and God- and that she should be able to live through the abortion she will surely get no matter what the law says.  Some of you considered these ideas so monstrous that you refused to believe that Short Little Rebel, aka Susan Shannon, could possibly be saying it.

There is something wrong with that reaction.  There is.  And it is wrong.  It is wrong when people cease to be able to speak rationally.  It is wrong when you can love someone one moment and the very next moment consider them a monster of gigantic proportions.   Everything should be able to be discussed.  Everything.  When reason and calmness and logic are lost, so are the people who refuse to engage in them.  Self evaluation is required for all people who heckled, called names, called into question my salvation, etc.

I’m not saying that you need to get back to me or apologize or anything close to that.  I’m saying that you need to ask yourself how you can turn on a dime like that and be so completely unable to speak rationally.

Now, to clear some matters up.  I can promise you that not one of you knows my complete thoughts on this matter.  Why?  Because you would not hear them- you were incapable of hearing them.  But now, I will lay them out for you.  And I will NOT have a repeat of last night.  Last night occurred because some of you could not respect my request to not debate the issue.  The issue did not come up because I wanted to bring it up.  It came up due to a one line comment I made in a series of one line comments I made last night.  I made a comment that stressed the damnation of people who believed in mid/late term abortions.  But some of you sniffed the winds and like witch hunters, scented something in the wind.  The questions & outrage began.  You weren’t satisfied that I condemned these people, you NEEDED me to condemn all.  Do you think I will lie to you?  No.  Having been asked direct questions on my beliefs, I felt it necessary to create a separate post to deal with all the ‘outrage’ and ‘disappointment’ being expressed.

That is when all hell broke loose.  I never got to tell you my true feelings.  And now I will- and again, you will respect the fact that I feel this way and will refrain from calling me a baby killer, a murderer, etc.  Or you WILL be deleted once again today.  It will be a rational discussion- and we will not go into when a soul enters the body, nor will we all begin to quote scripture.  Because I promise you that I have considered all of it.  And I can answer all of it with a different way to see it.  And we will be left just where we are right now- at odds.  I will not convince you and you will not convince me.  So, we will not have a war about it.  This is a matter of me being honest with my readers.  And if my true self is unworthy of your friendship, then you must decide about being here.  I hope I am still found worthy in your eyes.  But I will not lie to retain your good will!

Now.  To the point.  Am I SURE about what I’m saying?  No.  Do I KNOW if abortion at the earliest stage, when it is a microscopic dot on the womb, is murder- or worse or less a murder than when a doctor does what Dr. Gossnell did?  No.  Do I KNOW what the bible or God thinks of this?  No.  In fact, I can wholeheartedly say that I could be totally wrong on this matter.  But I also know that this is an area that is also open to human compassion.  I also know that we are adults living in the real world with real world consequences.  As adults, we must eventually make laws that will best represent what we believe in morally.  Do I approve of abortion?  No.    Do I think it is moral?  No.  But I also know that the woman is not the only culprit.  In fact, I find the men to be the bigger culprit.  And when I see a community that will lose its mind and scream ‘baby killer!’ at a 13 year old victim of brutal incest without a word to the father of that girl, well… every fiber of my being says, “NO!”  I say, “NO!”  You are wrong when you do that, People.  I must go with my gut at this point.  Something is wrong with the mob at this point.  I know it and don’t need to prove it.

There is a terrible thing happening right now.  And it is far deeper than a young girl caught in a terrible circumstance.  We have forgotten the true nature of the male and the female.  This is the great lie.  Men want sex.  Women want love.  I will NOT debate this.  I need no study.  Those who say this is a lie are liars themselves.  So, don’t bother.  Women, especially young women, rarely orgasm- sexual maturity for women usually happens later on in life and in very trusting relationships.  Men get sexual satisfaction from the get go.  Thus, one must ask oneself, why do women sleep with men?  Answer:  because they are seeking love.  Men have lied to women about love as long as men and women have existed.  Again, don’t bother disputing.  I won’t listen.  We all need to grow up and admit reality.  Men lie to get women in bed.  And to keep them around ‘until they decide’ if they want to get married.  Women sleep with them because they BELIEVE the man’s words and his body.  They can’t fathom being coldly used for sex as this is completely foreign to the female character.  Again, I don’t want to hear stories of whorish women, ok?  This is the TRUTH of men and women.

In the old days, parents protected their girls from men who had NO INTENTION of marriage.  This was good.  In the old days, if a boy got a girl pregnant, the father & brother of that girl would go to end his life unless he would marry that girl.  And that was good.  And if that boy hurt the girl during the marriage, the father and brothers would beat the living day lights out of him.  And that was good.  Mothers used to tell the truth to their daughters about the nature of men.  It’s not that men are evil.  But it is that they can indeed have sex and contain not an ounce of love within their hearts.  Women can not.  Women feel SHAME with a one night stand.  Only desperate, hurting women HAVE one night stands.  Men can not only have a one night stand- but many.  Maybe some guilt.  But not the deep SHAME women feel.  And why do we feel shame?  Because we know WE have been used.  Not that we used the man.  And men?  Admit it.  Your guilt comes not from a deep shame of BEING used, but because you KNOW you used a woman for sex.

This is the TRUTH of the male/female condition.

So.  Men pressure for sex.  Women give in because they want to please the man- because she wants to keep him around.  And if the man lies that he loves her, the woman is more than willing to believe him.

And when the inevitable thing happens and she gets pregnant, women will only abort for one reason- she fears the man will either leave or will not support the baby and she will be left with all the responsibility and misery while he goes his merry way.  The woman is left with the terrible stigma of ‘whore’ to her parents, family & friends and the man becomes known as a ‘Playah’.  Enough to make me puke.  We are in the age of Baby Daddies.  And we are in the age of women so insecure, so completely unaware of their worth, that they think they need to beg a man to give her any money whatsoever for that baby.  The man has become the kingpin over the woman.

And all because of the ‘sexual revolution’ that was supposed to free a woman from sexual bondage.  Oh, how the men celebrated that day!  Because the cow just became free!  Sexual ‘freedom’ for women has created the very opposite- it has created sexual slavery for women.  And the very youngest of the females in western society have not yet realized their peril.  They realize it the day they get pregnant and the world turns on her as the man runs away, scott free.  She sees it then, oh yes, she does.

And what happened in society?  Did Christians drag the FATHER to court or demand punishment or payment from him?  NO!  He is left as a free man.

Do you want to know what the most selfish creature on God’s earth is?  A man who decides to NOT use a condom because he wants the MAXIMUM PLEASURE as he uses a woman he does not love for sex.  And then, when confronted with a baby, runs for the hills.  And he gets all the time in the world to repent (most don’t), make things right with God and then go on to build a beautiful family with a woman he DOES love.  Nice set up for the guy, huh?

The woman is the baby killer.  The woman is the murderer.  The woman is worthless.  The woman is left to die as she desperately seeks the abortion she WILL get.  All Christian judgement is poured down on her- the one who was LIED to by a man.  And who are her worst accusers?  Why, the religious and righteous CHRISTIAN community!  With men in there who during their own lifetimes slept with MANY women they did not love!  And women who hate themselves so much that they can’t fathom that they deserved BETTER, by God’s own decree, from men!  Women who hate themselves are as bad as the men who despise women.  Christians, all.

I have been thinking- alot- about the woman that Jesus had such compassion for.  The woman who committed adultery.  Jesus let her go for many reasons, I’m sure.  But one reason is this:  he knew the sheer hypocrisy of the men in that crowd- all holding stones, ready to kill that woman.  The Jewish law said that BOTH the man and the woman should be killed for adultery.  But where was the man?  No where!  And why?  Because that hypocritical group of men EXCUSED him while they held the woman to the law.  There was no justice there.  And there is no justice in this quarter of the Christian population.

I have a lovely brother (can’t help it- didn’t choose him) who is one of those lovely Christians.  He has mercilessly slept with an army of women.  He considers himself quite a catch!  (gag).  He has been married and divorced FOUR TIMES.  He has NEVER cared for his offspring.  He is a shirker of the worst kind.  He beat and tortured every wife and both his sons.  Both sons are emotional basket cases and are in trouble with drugs, alcohol and the police.  He never visited nor did he send money.  And yet.  And yet.  He is the LOUDEST screamer of ‘murderer!’ , ‘baby killer!’ there is.  He is, hands down, the most hateful person I know.  Sadly.  But he goes to church!  He, who is over 50 years old, still blames his mommy and daddy for all his troubles.  Oh, and let’s not forget all his blame for each and every woman he beat into submission.  The reason he failed to care for his offspring is:  The mothers were bad people.

Now, in my book, that doesn’t fly.  A grave injustice has been done!  I won’t have it!  The day I see Christians condemn the MAN as the true perpetrator for abortion is the day I will be satisfied.  HE was the loser, the liar and the one who couldn’t be man enough to make that woman feel secure enough in his emotional and financial commitment so that she felt the need to protect herself through abortion.  HE was the pursuer.  He was the driving force behind the sex to begin with.  HE got the ball rolling.  It was HIS orgasm, wasn’t it, that caused the pregnancy?  It was ultimately HIS responsibility to use protection- and if he didn’t, then HE needs to man up.

And really.  I don’t CARE if the man looooooves her.  I’m also sick of THAT notion!  All this loooooove.  This ooey, gooey loooooove.  If love is all it took for a marriage to succeed, then why are there over 50% of couples divorced?  They ALL started in ooey, gooey loooooove!   Marriage is a decision.  You know it and I know it.  We decide to be married and we live by that decision.  If not, arranged marriages could never have worked.  Decision, and not so much love, is what makes a successful marriage.  A man who decides, like a good God fearing man does, to marry a woman to take care of his own offspring can and will have a successful marriage with a woman.  Even if he didn’t begin with love.  Same with her.  There are consequences to breaking God’s laws.  For both people.  To make it right is to die to your life.  And do what is right.

As I said earlier.  The day I will change my mind about the earliest days of pregnancy is the day I see Christians pressing for a law that will throw a man in prison for LIFE, no chance of parole, if he will not marry AND financially support the baby he created.  AND a secondary law that allows the brothers & father of a wife to beat a man within an inch of his life if he fails to properly be a good husband and father to his new family.  No criminal charges on the ones who beat him.  Then, I will change my mind.  Because here is what I know:  no woman would WANT an abortion any more.  The problem would be solved right there and then.  Women would celebrate across the free world!

And how about you parents?  Why aren’t you teaching your girls and boys about the reality of the sexes?  And teach them how best to handle this reality?  Where are the fathers of boys telling them about their sex drive and their responsibility that goes with it?  And mothers?  How many talked openly to their daughters about the reality of men & women and WHY keeping the knees together was actually helpful in finding and keeping a man in marriage?  Why did you only couch it in religious terms?  Why didn’t you explain that if a girl keeps her knees together, the bad men will leave quickly and the ones worth keeping will stick around?

And parents, why didn’t you tell your girls you would financially and emotionally support them no matter what?  Why do young girls feel terrified that their parents will think they are failures, whores, and losers if they get pregnant?

How about all you divorced people who are currently living in adultery according to God?  How many of YOU are standing with your pointed finger, with your stone, and calling the woman the ‘baby killer’?  Yeah, right.  Hypocrites.

Here is what I know about women.  We are born with a craving need to have and love a baby.  NO woman would willingly abort a baby if she had a man who loved her and was willing to do his job and take care of it.  That is what I know.  Are there some evil women?  Yes.  But 99% of us are driven by our maternal instinct.  We love babies.  If we didn’t, human kind could never have survived this long.

If you want JUSTICE in the world, you had better look at the WHOLE problem.  Not just look at the one girl at the end who is desperate enough to have an abortion.  IF you are serious about ending this terrible tragedy, then we need rational adults willing to rationally address it.  Not people who lose their minds because they can’t exercise some level of self discipline.  Those of you who screamed the loudest last night- the ones who had the nerve to say that pregnancy through rape and incest was somehow God intended- well, I hate to think how your young girls would react if they got pregnant.  I think they would be terrified to tell you.

Because of these issues that LEAD to a desperate girl, yes, I will leave the law open for the very earliest stage.  If I could, I would only give two weeks for this decision.  Technology would be the determining factor.  The earliest possible detection + two weeks.  I’m not a doctor.  I don’t know how to calculate that.  I am not saying it is right.  I am saying that the girl WILL seek an abortion and I have compassion enough in my heart to allow her to live through it- with fertility in tact.  I am willing to leave it between her and her Maker at that point.  I am not willing to condemn her to death.  That is the bottom line.  I must decide on a law.  I can’t put my head in the sand.  I HATE abortion.  And I know one thing- mid/late term abortions must end.  And I am willing to pragmatically move toward that end.  But it will continue unabated while judgmental, militant, hard hearted ‘religious’ Christians refuse dialog on the subject.  And refuse to look at the source of the problem:  men refusing to wear a condom because they are seeking maximum pleasure as they use a woman for sex.  Those who wish to continue down their despotic road on the subject are just as guilty as that girl who has the abortion.  Because you could have stopped the worst of it.  But stood on misplaced ‘principle’ in such a prideful way that you would not even try.

That is my full feeling on the topic.


  1. I can tell you put a lot of thought into what you post. I agree with you.
    It’s the same old arguments about sin we all tend to balk at. Judge not that we are not judged, our sin may seem less significant to us than another’s but we are still no better than any other (although as Christians we ARE better off because we have received the salvation we are withholding from others in our anger). We must take care of our own sins and issues and stop looking to what others are doing and move onward. Those souls need saved not further beaten and abused. I try to get that across to friends on FB but even in my doing so I have to acknowledge that in my pointing it out to them I am also looking to their sin. It is a very frustrating issue to us, I can imagine it is a thousand times more frustrating to Jesus.

    • Christina, you are a vile woman. You really are. I DID do the right thing in blocking you. You are the worst kind of person in the Christian community. God’s will IS being done- but not in the way you think, dear. You will see.

      • You continue to delete my comments because they are filled with love and truth and life…..Again continued prayers for you and all who you lead astray!

      • No, Christina. I continue to delete your posts because you are wrong, hateful, ‘religious’ and hypocritical. I really can’t stand Christians like you who use Jesus as their personal battering rams. You say, “I will pray for you” when actually, in your heart is a burning anger. That is always my number one clue who the Christian hypocrites are- and you uttered them right away! You also spend your time gossiping about me. Yet another sin God hates. But.. I’m sure you are praying for me so that the devil will be removed from my heart- all because I have compassion on women, right Christina? I notice you are a Catholic. That explains your blind loyalty to DOCTRINE. Whatever your pope says, right? Forget what Jesus says- your pope is the god you worship. Which is sad, because most Catholics don’t buy into that. You are a hateful little woman who gossips, harbors anger in her heart for weeks at a time, and runs around gossiping with the other Church biddies. If you can’t get your way, you just burn until you can’t stand it. See? I didn’t delete your words because they (a bark of laughter here), ‘are filled with love and truth and life’, I delete your comments because you are a spiteful little troll.

  2. I am one of the liberals whom you normally despise, but I wanted to take the time to say that I recognize that you really took some time to think about this issue. Given your audience, it couldn’t have been easy to talk about something that had invoked such a visceral response. Abortion is never an easy decision for a woman to face, no matter the circumstances. I’m happy to see that someone on your side of the aisle is taking up for women instead of the constant shaming I’ve been seeing. Take care.

    • Erika, thank you for your message. I find the liberal response to my article about a shocking as you find my article. Also, please know that I do not despise people- I despise the movement.

  3. Hi. I know you are not liberal friendly, but I have to tell you how refreshing it is to see my thoughts on abortion written so well. I’m a Christian and have felt persecuted for my pro choice stance on this issue. I agree with you 100% and hope that all these other Christians can search their hearts and see the truth in your words. God bless.

    • Really scary that SLR is getting so many nice comments from so many LIBERALS when she calls herself a conservative Christian. Hmm….

      • Hey, I agree with that, Christian. Definitely makes me uneasy! But be that as it may, I stand by this post. I can’t base my opinions based on who will agree with me or not agree with me. That is why I call myself REBEL. I say what I believe is true- no matter who it pleases and no matter who it ticks off. I have to be true to myself and to my God. This article represents my full heart. If the liberal people like it and the conservatives hate it, it means zero to me. I am not a robot that simply regurgitates the party line, now am I? At least you can be assured that I NEVER curry the favor of man. I curry the favor of the Lord- and that is it. So be it. Susan

      • lol! Shouldn’t we all? Especially we Christians. I refuse to be part of a party line. That is why I call myself an Independent. Yes, I vote Republican- but I can honestly say, I HATE doing it! No one seems to serve the Lord in politics. No one. I serve only my king, Jesus. HE and he alone is my ruler. I bow my knee to him in sheer gratefulness that he is worthy, so worthy. He is the only one I respect enough to worship and love with such fierce loyalty. No man-made ideology can make me loyal. With the strictest adherence and obedience to God’s word, let us not forget the compassion Christ had for the woman who committed adultery. Let there be both judgement and compassion. Both. I can only pray that we Christians can find the best balance of the two in this evil world we live in. May God strengthen OUR ties (the Body of Christ)- not our political allegiances. Nor party affiliations. I feel so strongly that our Lord, Jesus, is returning very, very soon. We need to go arm and arm together. The fight will be quite nasty.

  4. loved your article. made me think about abortion in a way I haven’t thought before. I agree on your opinion about men should be held accountable however i don’t believe men are 100% to blame in the end it’s the girls decision. it’s her body. there are cases where men want to keep the baby and take responsibility but the girls does not. again in the end the girl has the final decision to have an abortion. i think or my opinion is after reading your article it is both the man and woman are at fault and should both be held accountable. all that being said. i think the purpose of your article was to make the public more aware that men should be held responsible and why you feel that way. I myself nevered gave much thought about man. so i definitely will remember that when discussing with people the subject of abortion. Im am very greatful God is using you to reach millions of people and you are not afraid of any repercussions from the public. Keep up the good work and i will continue to pray for you.

    • Thanks. Yes, both are responsible. It’s just that most women would choose to have the baby if she knew the man would take his responsibility seriously. But with all the dead beat dads and Baby Daddies around, it is very hard for women to believe this. Thanks for your response. And you are right. I do not think abortion is right. I just don’t think the woman should die for it.

  5. You have the nerve to delete my comments but you still reply to me? If you had let my comments stand you & everybody else would have seen I was speaking against your man-only blame game. BOTH parties are responsible but you are hell-bent on putting all the blame on the man. And for this reason, that if man were to do the right thing, there would be no abortions & then you’d change your stance on abortion. Go ahead, delete this one too but know that you are wrong in your decision to support abortion, at ANY stage of pregnancy. All your screaming about what men are, how they function relating to sex with women, woman’s behaviors is irrelevant to the law of ‘thou shalt not murder’. I don’t care that this is your page. You think that gives you the right to speak lies? God is watching & you will be held accountable for your actions.

    • Shawn. All I can do is LAUGH at your indignation that I should blame men. How many women have YOU used for sex? Based on your reaction here, I would guess quite a few. IF I had justified abortion as ‘right’ or ‘moral’ in any way, you might have a point. As it is, I don’t and didn’t. So, man up and take the responsibility like a man. It is TRUE. Fix the MAN PROBLEM, fix abortion. I have NO DOUBT abortion would disappear if men 1) stopped using women for sex. Another way to put this is: stop sleeping with women you do not love. 2) if you do create a baby, marry the woman so that she can take you seriously when you make a promise to take care of it. SIMPLE FIX to a terrible problem. The ONLY ones I see screaming are…..(drum rolls please)… MEN! lololol! Shawn, your hypocrisy is showing. Just like those men who wanted to stone the woman who committed adultery. You want the blame to be on the woman, not on the man- even though the LAW said to kill them BOTH. Jesus had COMPASSION and let the woman live- as the man was able to keep living. That is what I am doing here. Nothing more. Nothing less. So this time, I WILL let the world see your hypocrisy. I don’t think you really come out smelling like roses. Sorry, Shawn. I think YOU have some skeletons in your closet that might need looking at. Most Christian men today do.

    • I have come to the conclusion that she thinks she is God. I will continue to pray for her conversion.

      • And there we have it, Ladies and Gentleman! The Christian lady who is ticked as all get out at me wants to…. (drum roll please!)…. PRAY FOR ME! And my soul! And my CONVERSION! Because I don’t agree with her pathological need to punish women! Suddenly, I am no longer a Christian at all! Christina. The more you talk, the more convinced I am how right I was to block you from my FB page. btw, no thanks on those prayers. I’ve already got my bases covered. hypocrite. *spit*

  6. Also your statistic of 100% of abortions being caused by men is not true. Could I bring some facts and statistics to the discussion? Most women who have abortions have them because the pregnancy was unintended and they already have 1,2 or more children. A large percentage of those women are married or in a stable long term relationship. only 1% said they were forced to have sex.

    • Rod, rod, rod. First, your ‘stats’ don’t interview those women, do they? They don’t ask that woman WHY she is doing this, do they? AND ‘stable relationships’???? Give me a break. Try finding how many happily MARRIED women do this. Then get back to me. Hypocrite.

    • You want ‘statistics’? I’ll give you the ‘real’ statistics… 3 out of 5 of my so called women ‘friends’ had abortions. All of them were in a relationship with a man. All of them did it because they were afraid of ‘losing’ their man, as their men had no desire to have more children (for whatever reason.) Each of those women wanted their babies, but because of their men’s ‘attitude’ towards them, the women felt it necessary to go against their heart’s desire just to please and ‘keep’ their man. As I write, all three women still ‘have their men’, but the shame, humiliation and guilt of having killed their babies…well, let’s just say the men aren’t feelin’ any of it.

      • This is the TRUTH of abortion. Fix the MAN problem and you will rid the world of abortion. If women didn’t love babies, humanity would cease to be. The male LIE happens first. Abortion is second.

  7. Susan,
    I basically agree with your comments. Men want sex and women want love. It has always been like that although in today’s culture, it has accelerated tremendously. Ever since the 60’s sexual revolution, women have been projected as nothing but sex objects and as willing partners for the men. You used to see it only in the movies, but now even regular mainstream television have people jumping in and out of bed, even people of the same sex. It is taken as the new societal norm. The Bible says not to fornicate, but that’s old fashioned thinking by the society and the media. You get pregnant, just have an abortion; why its as easy as taking the garbage out. While it does take ‘2 to tango,’ the men usually are nowhere to be seen after the girls becomes pregnant, in which they go find some other willing dupe to play the same game over. However, many girls today do not help the situation by the way they dress, generally showing as much as legally possible with no hint of modesty.

    Sorry for kind of rambling but I am also against abortion, especially when it is used as a means of birth control. The only legitimate reason for it IMO is for rape/incest. Otherwise, it is just used as a sacrifice to satan, just like in biblical days when the children were sacrificed to moloch.I also agree with you that the young men who go on impregnating girl after girl should undergo some type of punishment for such irresponsible actions.

    Continued blessings for you and your family.

    • Hi John. Thank you for that honesty. It is very good when it comes from a man. I don’t know any woman who would use abortion as a sacrifice to Molek. I know that the government and those involved would. Our culture is being systematically dismantled. The 1960’s and the sexual revolution is the greatest farce ever perpetrated on the human race. All it did was claim that men and women are the SAME. Nonsense. You are right about t.v. It shows a fantasy of what men and women are like- when the reality is far, far different. Abortion is wrong and it is sad. But it does not stem from selfish women. It stems from selfish men. Fix the man problem and you will fix abortion. Are there a FEW weirdo women? of course. But if women could so easily despise babies, the human race would be dead. Additionally, if men didn’t pursue women relentlessly, it would be the end of the human race. THIS is why God put sex in the marriage context. He KNOWS what he made. And he knows the way it will bear good fruit. So many hypocritical Christians refuse to see their own sexual crimes- from using women (and getting lucky enough to not impregnate her) to adultery through divorce and remarriage.

  8. Same with me… can’t access your page on fb. Glad everything is okay with you and you will be back. Just a stumbling block to prevent you from spreading the truth, the Words of God. Thank you for sharing with us what most fear to do. God Bless you!!

  9. You bring a harsh plate to our table. It’s okay, we’re far beyond the need for it. In the simple world where most, if not all, of us live and speak without personal experience, only developed convictions, we run headlong into this much debated topic without stopping to understand there is no single response that rightly responds to every situation. I wish there were, because I’m of the firm belief that abortion is wrong. Even though I hold to this belief, you are very right to remind us there are situations (as mentioned) where a child is forced into an adult’s world by a useless piece of garbage scumbag pedophile. I’m refraining from sharing how I really feel here.

    I struggle with what’s right regarding the child, but I have no mixed feelings with what should happen to the culprit. There’s just not enough of those fathers and brothers from the past to eliminate future possibilities of the pogsp ever touching another child.

    I would say here though that out of the countless number of abortions that have occurred, it is a fairly small percentage that fits this package. Still, aren’t there other scenarios that will be argued once this one has passed? Yes, and there is no end in sight.

    • See, I believe we CAN make a difference. We can make a difference as a Christian community by focusing on the true problem: men sleeping with women they do not love. I TRULY feel that men are the culprits in abortion. Please consider that when a man DECIDES to use a woman for sex (he knows he doesn’t love her), he ALSO chooses to not use a condom. And the reason? He wants the ULTIMATE pleasure! I stand in complete AWE at this stupefying amount of selfishness on his part. And when the baby inevitably comes, he bolts and the ENTIRE Christian community comes down on whom? The GIRL who was used, lied to, and abused. NOT RIGHT.

      Let us fix the MAN problem. Then, abortion will simply go away. Let us, as a community, hold our men to account. Then we will see results. But not before then.

      • Hi Michelle, FB turned it off. Said I was using a ‘fake name’. I’m hoping it was only because some alarmed readers two nights ago thought my page was hacked and reported it. I don’t like to think FB is hassling me again. So, I had to give ID to them and they say it will be reinstated at some future point. I would never just shut off my page. So, I will have to wait until then. Carry on for me, wouldja? Thanks, Susan

      • I could never do what you do, but I’ll do my best at what I am doing and carry on till they do the same. James and I have been chatting about it all. I just explained to him that FB are the ones who validate everyone’s names in the first place. It’s so annoying. I’ve reported those other bogus pages and still nothing.

        btw–did you by any chance get my messages before it all got shut down? That will suck if you didn’t. Feel free to email me @ so we can keep in touch. xo


      • I got the long one from you and I sent you a long, long message back. I should have suspected FB was up to something because all those heartfelt messages got deleted! I was frustrated. And then, they disabled my account. It is STILL down. It was bound to happen. They can’t find a reason so they are doing this. They didn’t even warn me. THIS is what will shut a FB page down? Putting a handle as a name? I don’t even know if I used the ‘additional name’ or changed the actual name. But really. Is this so critical, so awful, such a breach of FB ediquitte that they shut it down like this? Well, I’ve given it over to the Lord. Remember that I wrote that I couldn’t shake the idea that I would not be able to continue like that for very long? And that you all needed to consider doing what I do? Perhaps that day has come. I am so glad that you have already decided to break out from my page. I feel like a proud mama bird and you are the first to fly the nest- strong on your own! <3. We will see what the next days bring. It has been soooooo frustrating that I can't heal the wounds from the last week. I had planned to send out a post to everyone to bring healing and forgiveness. I was going to invite people to re-friend me and I would also unblock the two people I had blocked. I wanted us to move forward together in love and friendship. But I was not allowed to. It really frustrates me. And now, today, bombs have gone off in Boston and I FEAR that this is another false flag. I FEAR this will be blamed on Christians this time. It would fit with Obama's and the DHS' statements that Christians (who take the bible literally) are now DANGEROUS people. I am shaking my head. I just have to have faith that God knows exactly what he is doing. Only he could have allowed FB to do this. So, he has his reasons. Well, I will send you my email at your email address if FB won't reinstate my account. I HATE email. But if that is all I have, then so be it. Susan

  10. Abortion is never ok, taking a life, is never ok. Homosexuality is never ok, or maybe you will reconsider on this too. Some things are absolutes according to the Bible. I don’t think God would have given us the commandments if He did not want us to live by them. He would have called them the 10 suggestions.

    • Christina. I am so glad to hear a religious Christian speak up! You either didn’t bother to read the article or your heart is as hard as stone. The only correction needed here is in YOUR heart.

      • You will never be able to force a man to love a woman or anybody for that matter. That also is not God’s commandment. His commandment is No fornication….period. Parents must be vigilant in how they raise their children. I also see woman as being stronger and even expecting more from them in that they can choose not to have sex with a man until marriage. I know how very adamant you are about gay sexuality. So you have the same compassion for people who question their sexuality after years of being molested????? You are no different than the gay community who interprets the Bible to accept homosexual marriage……I guess if murder (abortion) is ok sometimes as is gay sex is ok sometimes …if not, you are a hypocrite. I do not believe it is ok in any circumstance, either homosexual behavior or abortion.

      • Christina, I think you have voiced this opinion at LEAST six times now. When will be enough, dear? We will not see eye to eye on this. You will just have to either accept me as I am or you can choose to not be my friend. See, I think you are completely lacking in compassion. Even in this statement. Protection for the man. Crime for the woman.

      • You are misrepresenting Christ and leading people astray by publicly declaring abortion as acceptable, ever. This isn’t about love between a man and a woman. I really hope you will think about how hard your heart is when it comes to this issue. I will never lower the bar for women as they have a very unique role in creating and nurturing life.

      • Christina, YOU are lying honey pie. Please show where in the world I said abortion was ‘acceptable’. I merely have compassion on a woman who WILL seek an abortion. I don’t think she should die. I see that YOU believe she should die in a back alley with a bloody knife or hanger next to her. I think you need to evaluate your OWN relationship to Christ. Christ allowed the adulteress to live. That is the compassion I am likewise showing. The decision is ultimately between her and God. Not you and her. So, really. Stop YOUR lying, exaggerating and attempts to position me as ‘approving’ of abortion. I specifically said it was wrong. You hate yourself, Christina, and can’t seem to understand that God WISHED better for women. He WISHED for her to be loved and cherished by a man. He knows she has been lied to by a scumbag man. He knows her desperation. Personally, I think he would condone my compassion on her. And I don’t think he would like what you are doing. I don’t.

      • Christina’s pathetic message has been deleted. Suffice it to say that she wants to reiterate that the woman is to blame for abortion. blah, blah, blah. And she would like to confirm that I am no longer a Christian, blah, blah, blah. Oh, and she has now ‘friended’ several of my other outraged readers and they ‘all don’t like me either!’ Christina.

  11. Thank you so much for speaking the truth about men and women. As a therapist who has worked with teenage girls I have witnessed this firsthand. You are a great example to me of a strong Christian woman who is not afraid to set limits and declare truth. I gain much strength from your wisdom.

    • Thanks Trudy. This was a difficult article to write and brought a lot of hurt to a lot of people. But I can’t help but feel that we are trying to fix the consequence of the problem instead of the causes of the problem. Disobedience to God’s commands to us as men and women is what ultimately leads to destruction. We need to back up from the point of abortion and fix the disobedience first. Then abortion will be no more. Within some segments of the Christian community is almost a hatred of women. I have become stunned that not one mention of male responsibility is ever mentioned by the ones who will call the girl a ‘baby killer’. My own brother is exactly like this. He sleeps with all kinds of women. And he has divorced four. He has never financially cared for a single baby he has produced. Yet he is the first ‘upright’ ‘Christian’ running around calling women ‘murderers’ and ‘baby killers’. If it weren’t so tragic, it would amuse me. Look at all the unwed mothers of today. They lack the God given self esteem that should be for every girl- they do not know how loved and cherished they already are by God because the parents don’t tell them. By now, the mother of that girl didn’t know either. As we spiral away from God, the complete lack of self esteem in girls and the complete lack of self control, fear of God and self discipline of our young men equal a complete disaster for our society. The response by Christians must be wholistic. I have heard people too many times smash the girl. It is time to talk about the men. It really is.

      • I wish I could do a thumbs up on these posts!!!

        or a thumbs down when appropriate.

        Trudy, your words are SO true!

  12. You probably won’t remember me. I had a few questions about the Rapture and Grace and Law. You answered them….and I felt pretty good about your answers. Then last night you deleted my comments and blocked me from your Facebook simply because I dont feel that ALL of the blame lies on men. I dont expect this comment to be posted. I simply want you to remove me here like you did there. It hurt. It stung. But you have a deep hate of men that you have to fix before you can be a leader for me. And you refuse to hear anything from anyone else. No..I wont go make a copycat page or smear your name…I am a Christian.. but I did see a side of you that shocked me, and shook anything you’ve taught me. My advice? Leave out the is erasing any testimony and teaching you may have. Please remove me from here so that I wont get anymore emails…if you dont want me on your Facebook..why would I follow you?

    • Angela, my facebook account has been disabled. Otherwise, I would have posted something to heal the breach that has taken place on my page. If you got blocked, I apologize. There is only one reason I blocked- because I didn’t have time to do otherwise. I know that I unfairly blocked people. But today, I can’t explain my actions because my site is down. Too many comments were coming at the same time – I do remember you and I do remember blocking you. You didn’t do anything to deserve blocking. But I also didn’t think you would respect my wish to allow me to finish with Pedro and Gregory. I felt you were ‘chiming in’ during a very, very important discussion. I simply didn’t have time to properly address you and request that you stop. I felt that discussion was too important to be derailed. And like so many of the more militant Christian crowd, I, well, I didn’t think you would allow me to finish my discussion without interruption. You did it three times, Angela. That’s not respectful on your part. Some of this is on you. But I WILL unblock you because that was not my intent. My intent was only to finish a tough discussion- and one I felt was critical. If you will accept my apology for the means I used to complete that discussion without interruption, I would like to welcome you back to my page. No hard feelings from me at all.

      I do not have a hatred of men. But in fact, I feel you have a hatred of women. Many, many ‘anti-abortion’ Christians are quite militant and hateful towards the woman- they simply don’t mention men. I needed to correct that. I believe I did the right thing. Men must be made accountable. I will never understand women who fail to see this. I think women actually hate themselves. They don’t feel that they deserve better treatment by men. If I hated men, why are half of my readership men? I respect men. But this problem of abortion needs to be properly addressed. It needs to be addressed right from the beginning- before casual sex is engaged in. Obedience of God from the man is essential to avoiding abortion. This is a fact. Not an opinion. Even if you do not agree, I feel it very, very strongly. But please, don’t let my method be the end of our relationship. I had every intention of getting back to you today, but sadly, I can’t.

      • Shawn, yes, I really do believe that a man is 100% responsible for ABORTION. I do. Whether or not anyone else does is their own choice. This blog isn’t a representation of everyone elses opinion. It is a representation of MY opinion. Men need to stop sleeping with women they do not love. Period. And if they DO get a woman pregnant, marry her. And even if they are unhappy, they will grow up, MAN UP and treat her right, go to work and bring home the bacon. THAT is what a GODLY man does. I love how MEN are just THRASHING at my perspective. Fix the man problem and ABORTION WOULD GO AWAY. I can promise you that. I’m sick to my stomach of all this woman hating. Even women hate themselves. Even they don’t think they deserve better than that. But I KNOW God intended more for a woman than a selfish man. Shawn, here I see you screaming, “MURDER!” and yet, where is your mention of the FATHER? For every single aborted baby is a DADDY who wasn’t there. Yeah, I said it. And it’s true. Look at all the unwed mothers. THEY had their babies, but where’s daddy? How about dead beat DADDIES? Gee, let’s go to Child Services and see how many dead beat mommies there are. With those kinds of odds, YOU, a man, want to call a woman murderer. I find that interesting. Know what is the most selfish thing on the face of God’s earth? A man who won’t even wear a condom because he wants the MAXIMUM PLEASURE while using a a woman (he doesn’t love) for sex. Nice, eh? A Godly man 1) doesn’t sleep with a woman he doesn’t love. 2) Marries the woman he impregnates and treats her right. Don’t like that? THEN STOP having sex! And keep your murderer comments to yourself. WHERE IS YOUR CONDEMNATION of men? NOWHERE. There is only one hypocrite between us- and it is you. If I will allow a woman to LIVE and remain fertile for the injury done to her by a lying sorry ass man, then I feel I AM supporting Jesus’ command for compassion. The father of that aborted baby sure as heck has time to repent and move on and form his own family, doesn’t he? The day I see you righteous, militant ‘Christians’ give equal scorn to the man who used that woman for sex is the day I will give you some credibility. Sorry, Shawn. We have walked together for a good while. But I will stand my ground and will NOT back down to you. I just wonder how many women you have used in your life?

  13. A very well-written piece and I’m glad I had to work and missed all the drama. 🙂 For me…I don’t believe in abortion under any circumstance. However, it’s a crying shame and the sin is just as great…to condemn the person who had the abortion. There’s no such thing as big and small sins. Sin is sin. So, those who condemn a little girl who was raped by a family member etc. are just as guilty. If I haven’t lived that girl’s life who am I to condemn? Jesus died for all. Saul of Tarsus killed SO many Christians and yet he responded when Jesus called him and his life was changed forever. David lusted after another guy’s wife, got her husband killed and yet God called him a man after his own heart. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and yet His redeeming love is enough. WE should be the standard raised up and yes indeed…ministers should stop preaching claptrap like most churches do nowadays and teach our kids about the practicalities of living life. What to do in certain circumstances and how to live a Godly life…without shame and fear. Thank God for my mom. She was not the best mom in the world, but she taught me stuff that I could pass on to my sons. Practical living life kind of stuff, including the keeping of the knees closed bit and why! And she said…if things ever got too much to handle…run! Just run and when your emotions are normal again…then your mind will be clear too. Always think something through before doing it. Wise words they were. 🙂

  14. Susan,
    I have to say right off the bat that the only place I disagree with you is in the matter of the early abortion. My belief is that the child is human from the moment of conception and so cannot be aborted. The rest of your comments I can wholeheartedly agree with! I was taught that the man is THE responsible party in the case of rape. I and my wife have drilled this fact into our sons and our daughter. We knew with her that the ONLY way she was going to get pregnant before marriage would be if she was raped. She is a tough little woman(and the mother of my grand-daughters!) and all the boys knew better than to even try with her. Besides, she has three brothers who are jealously protective of their sister! (Not to mention dad and several uncles!)

    It is sad that people who in one case call each other brother and sister can suddenly forget that and begin ripping each other to shreds instead of discussing things rationally. Even though we may disagree I fell no need to attack you for your opinions. We each come to the discussion from very different perspectives and come to different conclusions. It doesn’t mean we can’t talk out our differences! I am sure that Satan claps his hands in delight when he see Christians turning on each other in this way. How better to neutralize the power of the Gospel?

    I will be praying for you, my sister, and I ask your prayers for me and mine!

    In Christ, Dan

    • Thanks Dan. Dan, you might decide that she will NOT get pregnant, but she might. And I promise you that if she DID get pregnant, there will be a lying man near her. Then you will understand my point. That boy or man better man up and do the right thing by your daughter. For now and for always. And if he doesn’t, I should hope you and your sons would… um..compel him to change his mind! lol! I am not for abortion. I am for solutions. Fix the man problem and abortion will go away. Now THAT is the solution I believe in.

    • “We knew with her that the ONLY way she was going to get pregnant before marriage would be if she was raped.”

      Wow. You are the worst kind of misogynist.

  15. I agree mostly, but where we diverge is nothing I would end a friendship over. God convicts each of us individually, not in groups. Thus, we are each at different points on our journey with Christ. This is what I call life. Good job.

  16. I agree with you 100%, Susan! This is something that I too have stuggled with. The woman is always taking the blame and that is NOT right!
    My mother told me growing up that she wanted me to wait because that was what God wanted from me, but she also told me that any man who WASN’T willing to wait until marriage, WASN’T the man for me. But she also told me that if I wanted to have sex before marriage that I needed to be prepared and ready for the consequences of an adult decision. She has always supported me and I know that I had become a teenage mother, she would have been there for me every step of the way. I’m so sorry for the way you were attacked last night! You have opened my eyes to so many things and i really admire you as a fellow sister in Christ!
    When I was growing up, I was allowed to date at 16, but my parents made my brother wait until he was 18 because they wanted him to have his hormones in check.
    I am 25, married to the man of my dreams and the proud mother of a 3 year old son and a 13 month old daughter. They are my world and the greatest gift, but i plan to teach them the way i was taught.

  17. Thanks so much SLR for stating your views on abortion. I’m sorry my fellow pro-lifers gave you such grief last night and did not logically debate you on the topic. I think it is so important that you bring up the role of the male in stopping abortion. I’ve posted or read quite a lot of material about abortion, but I don’t believe I’ve ever encountered much, if any, about the serious issue of the male in the decision-making process concerning abortion.

  18. I certainly understand your viewpoint. Personally, I agree with abortion only in the case of saving the life of the mother. However, I DO understand why a young girl or woman who is the victim of rape or incest would not want to have that child. I have seen the devastation that an abortion can cause even in an adult woman. It’s not pretty. I think that since God “knit us together in our mother’s wombs” I just think He has His reasons for every life He creates. My young adult daughters would never be turned away from my husband and I. We have always been forthright and cautious in our teaching about sex, men, relationships, and what God’s Word says about it all. So far, so good. In the case of laws for abortion, I get it. Not everyone is a Christian or their human compassion takes over. I must adhere to the laws of the state as commanded by Christ himself. I wholeheartedly comprehend the need to keep abortion legal; however, let’s get the epidemic under control.

  19. Thank you for sharing your heart with your readers and I am sorry so many have had such a hateful reaction. That is one reason why we are so ineffective as Christians — we become so emotional about subjects like abortion and gay marriage that we cannot have rational conversation and give anyone room to disagree in any way. We appear to lack compassion for the human condition and demand righteousness when we ourselves are anything but… I was a 17-year-old pregnant girl and to be quite honest, if abortion had been legal at the time, my parents, born-again fundamental Christians, would have considered it. They considered it even though it was illegal. I didn’t get an abortion, I never really wanted one anyway, and I have a wonderful 40something son whom I cherish. But you are right, girls give sex away to get love in return and more often than not, they are used up by men and often cast aside. I personally hate abortion but I understand why women and girls sometimes have to choose it and the God who has shown me so much grace in my 60 years will show each and every one of them the same grace. Therefore, I have no choice but to show grace. I am sorry that abortion has been made so available, and I think as a society, we will ultimately pay the price for such a compilation of horrendous sin, but that being said, God has enough grace for every individual no matter what his or her sin. We can never forget that fact as we debate the social issues that face us today. In the end, God is still Judge, but he is also Love and Mercy and Grace that has all be shown to us through Jesus Christ.

    • Karen, thank you for your honesty. I have no doubt that if the man took responsibility and we as a society forced him to, abortion would end. Then we need not consider such things as WHEN it is ok or not ok to have an abortion. We need to correct our society first. Then the problem will be solved.

  20. Shannon, you are one brave woman and I admire you! I abhor abortion but would make exceptions for incest and rape in the early first trimester. This is a major argument for abstention. In this day we scoff at the wedding day Virgins but I believe they are in God’s graces. Lets teach our daughters to respect themselves most of all then men will respect them also.

    • AMEN! I’m teaching my girls the TRUTH. Men CAN have sex with no love. And many, many, many will tell you they love you to have it. Only a man who asks you to marry him loves you. Wait for that man and you can’t go wrong. It’s not just a BIBLE thing- God is practical. he knows what he made. He made men to be men. Thus, he said, marriage and sex go together. A woman who keeps her knees together only serves herself. The bad ones leave QUICKLY before a broken heart can even be created. A good man will stick around. Everyone’s happy.

  21. I don’t know what was said yesterday. I’m not always able to read every post but I will say that when I just read you are OK with rape abortion in it’s early stage I was very shocked. I don’t believe in it for any reason. There is never an OK time to kill a baby no matter how terrible the reason for it’s conception. I also believe someone should go to prison for life if they rape a person but I can’t OK the killing of a baby because the law is not what I wish it was. We are all allowed to have our own opinions and I will respect yours even though I think it is wrong.

    • Kay, did you even READ my article? Because your response seems utterly devoid of any compassion. Sorry that I shocked you. But you shock me that you can read my article and come out with this statement. What I have to say about male accountability is sound. Biblically sound. Fix the man problem and you will have no more abortion. Unfortunately, many people ONLY focus on the RESULT of male lies and male disobedience to God’s Word. All of which could be avoided had the man merely used a condom. But the enormity of male selfishness is found in the fact that the man didn’t want to use a condom because it does not deliver the MAXIMUM pleasure for him while having sex with a woman he does not love. THAT is the true problem. I want to fix the problem- before it becomes a travesty. Yet, where is YOUR mention of the man? No where. It’s like you didn’t even read the article. Your ONLY concern seems to be your SHOCK over me. I find that interesting.

  22. Yup, what George said. My morality won’t allow me to agree with abortions, but I do agree with how you got there, I just need a different conclusion. Blaming the girl, only, or even primarily, makes absolutely no sense.

    And shaming someone for a moment of weakness is far worse than what the boy did to her, and is completely unsupportable. Quit blaming the victim, blame the perpetrator, better yet quit fixing blame and work to make the world better.

    I’ve written some on this as well, and find what is often said about this to be ridiculously sophomoric nonsense that should never have been let out of whatever ivory tower spawned it. It’s not only unhelpful but actually harmful, in the current environment.

    Good post, SLR.

    • Thanks. Fix the man problem and abortion will go away. For pete’s sake, put the condom on if you are going to use a girl for sex. This is the epitome of male selfishness. Maximum pleasure while using one of God’s creations. It is revolting to me. Women WANT the baby. She does. We are born to make and love babies. Look at all the unwed mothers and look at all the dead beat dads. With numbers like that, women are not stupid. We know the mind of a man. IF the man doesn’t propose, I promise you, he does not love the woman. Marriage is a DECISION for men. Young women truly don’t believe their their sweet Billy there will indeed have sex with her without a shred of love in his heart. But he WILL, no doubt, tell her how much he loves her to keep her around. My point: Let BOTH their lives be changed forever. Everyone needs to grow up and ACCEPT that their life as they knew it is OVER. Time to grow up, Billy! You made it. Now, by all that is right by God, marry that girl and work your butt off supporting your own creation. I miss the ol’ shotgun and brothers & fathers in a girl’s life. People say I am ‘hating’ on men. On the contrary, they are hating on women. I let no one off the hook, here. The woman has to marry the man (of course, she usually loves this part! lol) and the woman will also raise the baby (of course, she usually loves this part to!). The ONLY one you will usually see griping and being upset is the man who used her for sex. THAT needs to end. Women WANT to have babies and get married. It is how we are built. Which is EXACTLY why we believe Billy when he lies through his nice, white teeth.

  23. I seemingly got her to late, Rebel. Coming in on the tail-end of this debate has me seeing you in quite the up-roar. So to speak. Just today I put a post out there by the title: “What does the Bible say about child sacrifice?” ( I have several other posts on the subject of abortion. One even deals with the nature of pregnancy by rape and/or incest. I would like for you to read them. Whenever you have time.

    I see you are well into being upset with some of your Christian brothers and sisters. Firstly; we have to ask ourselves are they, by their actions, truly Christian, or at least, following Christ’s example when persecuting you for your belief. if they somehow, or in some manner, judged you and called you names, well; they were certainly not fulfilling the role or example Christ established so long ago.

    It comes to mind the adulteress who was about to be stoned when Jesus walked up and asked, “what has she done?” Upon their telling Him He replied; “He who is without sin may cast the first stone.” Perhaps such response by you, to them, would have convicted them more so than all you went through here and now. For the meek shall inherit the earth….

    Christ never uttered one word in His own defense when questioned by the Pharisee’s, nor when appearing before Pilate. His silence and suffering cast upon them great shame and suffering; even to this day…. What example is to be learned here, Rebel…… I’m neither in judgment of you nor am I saying you were wrong for defending a position. It’s not for me to say, not when I, a sinner myself, am not worthy of casting any stones. But as a friend through Jesus Christ I am compelled to speak to you. I hope too I have not trespassed.
    May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you, Rebel and may His face shine upon you. Shalom!

    • I’m not sure the meaning of your post as you have been a little vague about it. I sense some censure in it, though. I can say this with utter confidence: I believe I am 100% on blaming men for abortion. I am tired of the woman hating. And yes, I have thought about that woman. ONE of the reasons Jesus let her go so easily was because of the sheer hypocrisy of those men. The Law said that BOTH the man and the woman were to be stoned. Where was the MAN? No where. Because no one condemned HIM. Only the woman. This was a complete lack of justice. My stand is true. I am confident in it. And I will stand strong in it. Please don’t recommend for me to remain quite by your example. I will not. There is a time for silence and there is a time for speaking. This militant sector of the Christian community is WRONG and it is they who are working against God. Not me and my compassion for the woman. Not my view that she need not DIE or become forever infertile as the consequence of a LYING man who used her. No. I stand on my position. Fix the MAN PROBLEM and there will BE no more abortion. I want to fix the CAUSE- not punish the victim. Sorry.

      • I came to you the other day and saw you were having a really bad day. People had pounced on you concerning your view while on Facebook. I was not one of them. I did not have any part in that episode, Rebel.
        I came to you after that incident and tried offering you some reasonable advice, solace and some wisdom concerning what I believed was the problem.

        Today you come back at me with a vengeance – your attitude with me is way out of line and I am going to point that out to you right now. You say you’re a Christian, alright – begin showing the world that’s what you are. You actions show anything but Christian character. I never yelled at you, not wrote in capital letters which would indicate shouting, yet you come here today and make all kinds of allegations concerning men, those people on facebook and so on. When you settle down, come back to talk to. I will listen and give my very best. May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless and keep you, Rebel.

      • Really? Now, that makes me laugh. A ‘Christian Character’ is what? Someone that agrees with you? My response to you stands. You come with soft, religious words when you really mean a rebuke. I am just more honest than you. Also, more honest than most Christians would dare to be. I never go around saying I will pray for someone when in fact, I am upset with them. I never use my God as a weapon against others. And I certainly don’t try to cover my meaning in nice religious language. I have come to be sickened by that mannerism. You came to me with cloaked words- but yet, you were actually rebuking me. I came at you with the exact same spirit you came at me. I rebuked you back because it is you who are out of line. I know you weren’t part of the original exchange. But it was evidently clear that you didn’t agree with me. Your example was Jesus’ silence? As in, I should be silent? And then you sit and pretend you weren’t trying to use Christ to silence me? Even this comment is … coated in the same velvet filth as the first. Say what you mean. Then I will hear you. Stop hiding behind religious talk. God, our God was direct. The Christian community DESERVED a rebuke concerning their attitude toward women. And clearly, so do you. I have had time to consider things. And I am quite sure that God is with me on this. Had I said, “HEY abortion is great! It’s a woman’s RIGHT’ and all that other nonsense, perhaps you would have a point. But you didn’t. All the good Christians ready to burn that woman at the stake are the very same as the men who wanted to stone the woman who had committed adultery. Know why Jesus let her go with such compassion? Because he knew the sheer, utter hypocrisy of the men in the crowd. The LAW said that BOTH the man and the woman should be killed. But where was the man? NO WHERE. Same in this very situation. Everyone hates the woman and has NO COMPASSION. I have compassion on her. She need not die for her sin. She need not be made infertile by the knives of butchers. THAT is compassion. She will answer to her GOD. Not you, my friend. And not anyone else. GOD will take his judgement on her. But I PROMISE you. God will judge the man who slipped away even more than the woman whom you claimed MURDERED the baby. So, my basic attitude, as ‘UNCHRISTIAN” and shocking as it may be is, “Shut up.” Go mind your own relationship with God. OK?

  24. I understand your viewpoint.;I disagree w/ abortion BUt I agree w/ your conditions.My daughter is 37 & still lives w/ us because Dad loves her & taught her NEVER to settle for good enough.I’d love a son-in-law & grandchildren;but if their loss is the price paid for a daughter who will never have to go thru what so many of her friends & co-workers endure,then so be it.A little 10 YO girl is my lovebug and I tell her constantly she is loved & need not look for it in boys.She needs a man;one who will be like her Daddy :a man who loves & adores his wife & kids.As for the beatings;in my family there were loaded shotguns!

    • lol! George, that is how I feel. My baby girls are my treasures. I speak and have spoken to them over and over again about sex, the reality of the two sexes and that I would NEVER condemn them if they got pregnant outside of marriage. I WOULD financially support my babies to my dying days if needed. And I would NOT force them to endure a baby from a horrible, dirty, disgusting rapist. People who speak so blithely about it have either never had girls or they are so far removed from the ‘streets’ that they fail to understand the subject. For them, it is black and white. And I BELIEVE in the father & brothers’ responsibility in facing the father of that baby! But today, all laws prevent the perfect solution to the whole problem- a shot gun and some bare knuckle fists in action.

      • I can understand and respect what you’re saying. But…WHY does it have to be an abortion? I would never consider a rape incident as “ordained by God” in any way. But still. I don’t see why the baby should have to pay the price for a man’s evilness. The girl does NOT have to keep the baby. But can’t she just put it up for adoption, give it a chance at life, but not have to “endure” it? Yes, girls WILL have abortions. But can’t we at least advocate adoption?

      • I do advocate adoption. Sadly, when women are alone, afraid and pennyless, they don’t have a clue how to find an adoption agency that will actually house them both before the baby and afterwards so that they can transition back to life without facing poverty. My point is this: Men need to stop lying to women and sleeping with women they don’t love. Girls need to be taught that men will indeed lie to get them to bed. The words, “I love you,” are the most abused words from a man’s mouth when he actually just wants a girlfriend around for easy access to sex. Most young girls completely and utterly a boy who utters these things to them. It, literally, does not seem possible to them that their beloved man could be using them for their body. When we, as Christians, put real responsibility on those men, they will think twice before trifling with girls- whom they KNOW they are using. Abortion is the result. We need to deal with the CAUSE. Then abortion will become moot.

      • I’m trying to access your FB wall and it keeps saying “network error”. I can access any other random “friends” I search. Any thoughts?

      • Yes, please tell as many people as possible that my account has been disabled! I think people reported it as ‘hacked’ and ‘fake’ and I had to send my drivers license to prove it was me! However, it is still down. See if you can spread the word? Thanks. I’m pretty sure I’ll get on in a day or so. Thanks so much! Susan

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