An Interesting Interaction With A Muslim Sympathizer: A Brief Middle Eastern History
Short Little Rebel Greg Gallagher– that is one of the most ignorant assessments of Middle Eastern history that I have ever seen. First, it was the Arabs who violently and aggressively attacked throughout the Middle East, Israel, Northern Africa and much of Eastern Europe during the Muslim Crusades which predate the Christian push-back (ie, the Christian Crusades). What is so interesting is that no one seems to remember that the Muslims invaded Christian lands first! It was only right and fair for the Christians to protect their lands. Conquering the Iberian Peninsula by 718, the Muslims crossed the Pyrenees Mountains into Gaul (now France) and worked their way northward. And now, in 732, they are approaching Tours, a mere 126 miles from Paris. They conquered, slaughtered and forced religious conversion over Jews & Christians.
Then came the Ottoman Empire in the 1300’s to the 1680’s with the similar hungry and brutal shove into Eastern Europe, Israel and N. Africa- again forcing people to convert to Islam or die. No one should ever think of Muslims as a peaceful people content with their own lands. They are the war starters.
When western Europe hit full stride during the industrial revolution, the Ottoman empire fell behind technically and militarily. That is when their conquered European nations rebelled and won freedom for themselves. Also, the Ottoman empire (what was left of it), then allied itself with Germany in WWI- remember those guys? Well, guess what? They lost, thank God. Cause an awful lot of Americans died in that war- because those guys were gunning for us. I suppose sympathizers like you wished more Americans would have died in order to save the Ottoman empire, huh?
Well, after losing fairly in war- after aggressing on the so-called evil ‘Western Powers’ you mention, guess who attempted to force European style government on those ‘poor’ Arab Muslims? Other Arab Muslims- called the Young Turks. From Turkey. Not Western countries. Well, those Arab nations who didn’t want Western government voluntarily sided with the British government to destroy the remains of the Ottoman Empire- ruled by Turkey. Did you hear that? Voluntarily. The British also sided with the Arab Christians in the area who were being slaughtered by the Turks (Ottomans) and soundly trounced them (again, thank God- but I guess you think it would have been better had the Turks repressed the Arab Muslims you love so much and I guess you think it would have better for them to continue slaughtering Arab Christians).
Now, the British- the conquerors of this aggressive people, then took charge. Is this new to you? When did war become something fair in your mind? The Arabs started the war and conquering and slaughter. The British finished it. They won and in my book, they get to rule as they see fit. If the Arabs didn’t like it, they should not have conquered European countries like they did. And guess what? When they were the winners, they ruled as they saw fit. And they saw fit to massacre the Arab Christians! The British did no such thing. They put down rebellion as any sovereign state has the right to do. But to just single out a part of the population that doesn’t worship God the way you do? Never! But you don’t see that, do you? Because you like to use only the facts that suit your politics.
Britain decided to create a protected area for the Jews. That was up to them. They also worked with Arab royalty to create new states in the area- they did not just make up arbitrary boundaries regardless of tribe, etc. I’m afraid that you are thinking of Africa, dear. The ancient kingdoms of Egypt, Iraq (Persia), Iran, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc all had deep roots and deep loyalties that date back over 2000 years. The British did not sit with a map, willy nilly, and just cut up the nations. Why should they? They worked with the royal families and created borders that suited the political alliances that would favor Britain in the future. Does that also surprise you? Is this not the history of mankind? Did we not do the same when we conquered the Native American tribes? This is what mankind does. Did we not split up Germany after WWII to prevent it from rising again? Did we not make all kinds of alliances and political deals with Russia that resulted in political divisions after WWII? Did we go and ask permission from the conquered countries after our men died in the tens of thousands to win them? Our blood. Our sacrifice. Our victory. Our rules. And our rules don’t result in the wholesale massacre of those who worship differently, do they?
By your notion, every single war and conquest in history needs to be undone in order to be ‘fair’ to the defeated people. That is just naive schoolboy thinking. The aggressor must be disarmed and put down for good. War is ugly. But when you bleed and die and win, you win. Considering what the Brits could have done to this conquered people, I think they were quite civilized in comparison to the previous victors- the Arab Muslims.
After WWII, both the Europeans and Russia granted those occupied territories independence- even after oil was discovered on those lands. Now that was generous indeed! And the place has been a nightmare ever since. And guess who began to subjugate the Arab People then? Arab Muslims. Their own leaders were greedy and corrupt. Here you say that Europe should never have fought and conquered the poor Arabs and now you think Europe and America should have reconquered them and forced those evil leaders to share their oil wealth by building up the infrastructures of those countries! Which one is it??? To conquer and rule or not conquer and rule? People like you care nothing for logic- just for getting your political will.
And the Jews. There was only a protectorate for them before WWII. What did you expect the Jews to do while they were being systematically and coldly murdered by the millions in Europe? They did what all repressed people do: they fled. They fled to the closest safe place they could think of or afford: the British protectorate. Was it Europe’s or America’s fault that Hitler was an insane murderer? Were the Jews wrong to flee? They were refugees! Do you also condemn the Syrian refugees that are now occupying Turkish and Jordanian lands? Of course not! For them, you feel nothing but sorrow. Again, your lack of logic is showing- like dirty underwear.
Look, what happened in the Middle East was created first and foremost by the aggression of the Ottoman Empire and their decision to side with Germany in WWI. The greed and corruption of their own royal families did the rest after the very recent discovery of oil in that area. So stop leaking your tears for an aggressive people. They are big boys and girls. They need to fight for their own lands and rights. Just as we did for ours. Remember the Revolutionary War? I do. That is what they need to do. OOPS! They tried that, didn’t they? But your buddy Obama backed the terrorists, the Muslim Brotherhood, who have promised to institute the worst nightmare of a government those people have ever experienced: an Islamic Theocracy where religion will be forced down the throats of every single individual on the pain of torture, the torture of their women and children and eventually, brutal murder, dismemberment and shame.
But I guess you think that’s good for the Arabs, huh? You’re not much of a sympathizer.