Should Christians Be In The Business of Curing Gays?

Exodus International's President, Alan Chambers, apologizes to gays.
Exodus International’s President, Alan Chambers, apologizes to gays.

I had not heard of the Exodus International program to ‘cure’ gays before this story.  I had heard of groups LIKE them before but never an entire church.  Apparently, the leaders of this church are shutting it down and have apologized to gays.  I read this story with mixed emotions.  Practicing homosexuality is a lifestyle.  A lifestyle that is abhorrent to God.  The problem with it isn’t the desire people may have for immoral sex- (this is within many heterosexuals as well)- it is the willful & arrogant disobedience of God’s law that so often accompanies it.  This LA Times article is highly biased and focuses on a woman whose son committed suicide supposedly because he went to the Exodus ‘gay cure’ ministry and because she and her husband told her son that he would need to remain celibate as a Christ follower.  Now she and her husband are gay rights advocates in churches.  Now, to me, all kinds of red flags go up when I hear that.  There is much more to that story than meets the eye.  The son went into a life of drugs and eventually overdosed.  The parents are reacting out of guilt.  But I would bet my bottom dollar that those parents were awful parents and that this is the real cause for their guilt.  OR he had a mental issue like clinical depression before the entire thing started.   For almost any controversy, you will find people like this who will champion a cause because of a son, daughter, brother, friend, parent, etc who ended up killing themselves- and then the issue gets blamed.  So, I don’t put much stock in that.  A program doesn’t make anyone kill themselves.

That being said, I have always eyed these types of ‘cure’ programs with a more than healthy amount of suspicion and skepticism.  I have never felt that people who decide to practice homosexuality need to be ‘cured’.  Especially by the church.  There is just something wrong headed about that approach.  Why should any church exist to have that sole mission?  That is not the mission of the church.  The mission of the church is to tell the good news and to make disciples of men.   While we pray for miracles all the time, we don’t focus on obtaining them!  Or on ‘fixing’ them.

You’ve heard me speak out against the Progressive use of homosexuality to divide the home, the church, the nation and the world.  It is the ultimate ‘victimless sin’.  So, for most people, it comes down to the following question:  “Will I obey God because I trust him or will I lean on my OWN understanding & wisdom and disobey him?”  The Progressives, being satan inspired, are driving this wedge as hard as they can by promoting the homosexual lifestyle as ‘normal’, ‘good’, and even ‘moral’.   Almost all t.v. programing is geared in this direction.  My kids even told me that the free online game called ‘Club Penguin’ now has a ‘rainbow’ puffle!  They are using it to pit people against God and people against people.  They are using it to polarize our society.  The homosexual agenda is radical, in your face, and militant.  And it is teaching American youth that it is something worthy to pursue- thus driving more and more Americans away from God.

THAT is my issue with the gay agenda.

BUT, unlike what my detractors like to say, I do not hate the individuals who practice it.  There are many who are just plain evil.  I pay no attention to them as they fall into the ‘swine’ category.  But many also have fallen into it based on sexual molestation or hurt or pain from their youth.  Many have powerful psychological reasons why they avoid the opposite sex.  Some are plagued with the temptation of illicit and frequent perverted sex (this exists within the hetero community as well- consider pornography & adultery).   And many WISH they could be healthy and whole again- and right with God.

These people fall into the exact same category as those who struggle with many types of sins.  ALL FORGIVEN BY JESUS upon the mere asking.  As long as they try and apologize, then can come back to the Lord over and over again.  That is his promise.  And that is the grace offered to all of us.

Christians are not here to condemn people.  We are here to TELL THE TRUTH.   Sometimes the truth feels like condemnation- and for those who insist on rejecting it, it is condemnation.  But it is not us who condemns, it is the Truth- along with a disobedient heart- that condemns.   And for those who wish to come to Jesus, no matter what their struggles and failures might be, we are to forgive them, pray with them, love them, sympathize with them and pick them up again and again and again.  This requires discernment and wisdom on the part of the Christian and on the Body of Christ.  Not a wholesale program where people are shuffled through like so many cattle getting inoculated.

It all lies in the heart.  A willful, arrogant, God hating heart is a swine.  A penitent, remorseful, and yearning for God heart is the one we MUST minister to with great love and compassion.

A church that focuses wholeheartedly on ‘curing’ one particular sin is not a church at all in my mind.  A church needs to be so much more than that.  Any organization so determined to ‘cure’ anything will become so narrowly defined that surely hate, resentment and judgement will set in.  So, while the story is horribly biased and I hate the gloating within, I am not sorry to see this type of organization shut down.  I could do without the apology because it is wrong headed.  But to me, such organizations only serve to embarrass the church of Christ who would never behave as this church as done.  Good riddance.

34 comments

  1. Hey SLR! The peace of God our Father and His Christ be with you!

    Thank you so much for your blog! It is very encouraging for a long-time Christian such as myself. We constantly need to encourage one another so we won’t grow weary of fighting the good fight.

    I understand what it’s like to be hated and for people to want you dead simply because you are presenting God’s word. I’ve been on some forums lately to warn people about the eternal consequences of continuing to practice homosexuality. The funny part is, the hate I get is from non-homosexuals. They say all kinds of horrible things and turn it into a personal attack.

    I just present the teachings of Jesus and of the entire Bible. I know that we will be hated, that goes with the territory right? Their hate just emboldens my desire to present God’s truth, even if it hurts.

    Anyway, keep up the good fight for the faith! Our Lord Jesus is surely with us!

    Your friend in Jesus our King,
    Colonel Silver

  2. wow – am proud of you, sister SLR, for sticking to the truth. People can be so amazingly creative in the ways they try to justify their sins. God exists, He is good, and if we obey Him we will be healthy & safe & happy. If we don’t obey Him we will not be very healthy, & not really happy, & not very safe. He MIGHT – out of the amazing goodness of His heart- magnanimously allow us to be FAIRLY happy/healthy/safe – for a while – in hopes His kindness motivates us to follow Him. But He is not at all obligated to do so.

    I have had the heartbreak of seeing a dear Christian friend turn to gay “lifestyle”, and continue attending church…a church that says it’s okay, Jesus loves you as you are, and don’t change. I have had a cordial discussion with the secretary of a (different) church locally, that voted to “support” (retain & pay) a pastor on staff who is in an openly lesbian relationship. She explained to me that the congregation thought they should show love, as Jesus loves us just as we are. I replied it is true He loves us as we are & we come to Him as we are – but doesn’t the Bible say we are to then be conformed to His image? aren’t we supposed to be like Him? didn’t He save us so we can change & become holy?…she had no reply. But I wistfully hope that in her silence, I perhaps heard the sound of thinking-gears turning and falsehoods beginning to crack.

    I suspect at least one person debating you was misusing the concept of ” freedom to choose”. TECHNICALLY yes we do have the “right” to “choose” to ignore God, cherry-pick which parts of His instructions we will follow, etc. ..TECHNICALLY, that is. But God – being fair – is obligated to live by His own rules. And one of His rules is “the soul that rebels against Him, must die.” So, if he allowed humans the technical “right” to “choose” acting against His instructions, and if He then declined to punish them with exile (not being permitted into heaven) – that would prove either 1)He is capricious, (as you said) or 2)He is a hypocrite, or 3)He is unable to enforce His will; i.e., He isn’t really Supreme God Of All, He is merely one of many gods.

    It seems to me, that one of the lies of this world is to say “all paths are valid. ” = “what’s true for you, is true. For you. But maybe not for me.” = “God has no right to punish those who don’t follow Him.” All are underhanded ways to imply (but never state honestly!) “God is not really Lord of all. He is only Lord of those who choose Him-” which of course is BS straight from satan. YHWH The God Of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is truly the rightful Sovereign over ALL humans and over all other beings too, and does indeed have the legitimate right to save, destroy, reward and punish any & all as He sees fit…whether or not they acknowledge that right.

    It is a “progressive” ( the current euphemism) belief, that rights are conditional. The only dispenser of rights they acknowledge is themselves. (in other words: they claim [even unconsciously] they are gods. this is rebelliousness & idolatry …self-worship; worship of anyone other than YHWH)….They refuse to admit that rights come from God, and that humans merely honor or trample the God-given rights of others. Even the people who claim to be both “liberal” and “christian”, have this internal dichotomy… I suspect YHWH will not permit this to continue. For years now I have seen a sifting going on, people are being required to choose one side or another. This is also well within God’s “rights”.🙂 Myself, I prefer this. I don’t like being surrounded by unknowns, people who say one thing & do another. I want the real pearls exposed as genuine & the real fakes exposed as fakes.

    Am very glad you are one of the real ones. Thank you for being you. & I thank God for putting you in this dark, darkness-loving world. Keep shining.🙂

  3. Reblogged this on Talon's Point and commented:
    Well structured blog post. Christians must continue to stand for truth in the face of coming persecution for adhering to that truth instead of being blown by the winds of spiritual rebellion

  4. I’m glad you said what you did about Christians being labeled as condemners when we speak the truth. Almost every time you see an article, or a single statement for that matter, that speaks out about the depravity of homosexuality you see scores of responses quoting Jesus saying that we are not to condemn. That shows just how blind people can be when they are not able to see the difference between truth and condemnation. I’ve pointed this fact out to many people here on facebook as well as in my conversations with people. I’ll be reposting that paragraph for sure. I also agree with the idea you point out that ALL sin separates us from God and that the danger in the sin is not necessarily the sin itself, but our refusal to admit the sin, repent of it and turn away from it. The real danger in a life of sin – any sin – is that we become so accustomed to it that we loose the broken heart that conviction of the sin should bring. Keep up the good work!

    • Well, first, I never said that homosexuals are HURTING God! What an idea! How can a human being hurt God? I mean, we hurt his feelings when we give credit to a wooden idol for the work he did and we hurt his feelings when we reject him. And I believe we hurt him deeply when we hurt ourselves- but this is out of his profound love for us. He wants us to be happy and to be with him forever. But we can’t HURT God. That is like saying a little painting can hurt the artist who made it.

      People who practice homosexual sex almost always reject God because of their shame. They can’t bear him looking straight into their hearts and so pretend he isn’t there. We only hurt ourselves with our sin.

      I would love to be friends with anyone. Unfortunately, most gays want nothing to do with me because I love God- you know, the Person they say doesn’t exist! Just knowing that I love God and Jesus and that I serve them FIRST in my life- above my own life, above my husband’s life and above my children’s lives- THEY shun ME. But I do have gay neighbors. One used to cut my hair. He used to go on and on and on about his liberal politics and his anti God opinions while I listened quietly and laughed at his jokes- he’s a nice guy. One day, I asked him about his relationship with God. He was so uncomfortable! And I disagreed with him on politics. Heck, we didn’t even GET to the gay issue! He refused to cut my hair afterwards! lol!

      So, I am left without gay friends. Because of their own choice- not mine.

      • I am saddened by this for you. You have met and speak of a small number of a small number. So many happy people in the lgbt community whom are not only very active in the church but also close to God.

      • Sorry, but I have ‘met’ hundreds upon hundreds of people who profess to be gay. And none of them are Christians. Some attend church and some struggle with this issue. True. But to be a Christian is to first, accept the words of God and Jesus. If you can’t accept their words as ‘true’, then you deny their sovereignty over you. And if you deny their sovereignty over you, you do not worship them. Thus, you can not be a Christian.

        As for your grandiose assertion that there are ‘so many happy people serving God,’ well… you are speaking out of your butt. Sorry. Mere supposition on your part.

        p.s. also, at least I have the integrity to tell the truth. Your comments don’t make me feel sad for you- they tick me off. Because you dare to mock and demean God. But then again, that’s just me. I live by the truth.

      • I don’t mock God, I speak what he puts in my heart. I’m sorry you get angry but tough discussions have opposition. Anger is what we need less of in this world.

        I do have one honest quotation for you though.

        Do you believe every word in the bible to be the absolute word of God?

      • We have the right to do what we want, that is the freewill that God gave us. But that is not the question you are trying to ask.
        I ask you again, do you believe every word of the bible to be the exact word of God?

      • You haven’t answered a question that I asked multiple times. You want respect to your side of the conversation but don’t offer it in return.

        I thank God that he let me have this discussion with you but I can see it has come to little more than stick swinging rather than two intellectuals trying to understand each other’s position as I would hope. But I love you and pray that you will be blessed in all you do. You have a great day, and may His Grace be with you

      • lol! See, it’s funny that you won’t answer a simple question. I have NO problem answering yours. OF COURSE I believe the bible is THE EXACT word of God. How not? If it isn’t then that makes God one of two things: either incapable or capricious. Either way, he is not worthy of our worship. He is neither. He is perfect and all powerful. And GOOD. He is fully capable of producing a BOOK that is relevant and true for human beings, whom he created and knows intimately. AND he is a loving God, not a mischievous and capricious God.

        Also, the bible is the ONLY way we even know about God and Jesus. So, to doubt one part must automatically mean that none of it is trustworthy.

        Therefore, either the bible is 100% true or it is 100% false. Either God IS God or he is not.

        Very much like being pregnant, there is no in between. Even mere human logic would dictate this necessity.

        The reason YOU won’t answer the question I asked is because you are AFRAID of God and the repercussions of answering such a bald question. The reason I asked you the question was to put you on the spot, not avoid your question. I knew you wanted to get into some philosophical debate and therefore never so boldly claim that human beings can disobey the Word of God.

        I’m GLAD you are afraid of God. This signifies hope for you. For fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

        Loving God and Loving Jesus = OBEDIENCE too. Obedience must begin with the acceptance that the word of God IS the word of God. And therefore, that Jesus is our sovereign Lord with the right to command us. And that God is his father and our father and the Great I AM who made everything.

        Without obedience, you do not have love. Obedience alone does not bring salvation. But salvation is very tenuous indeed without obedience. Here are Jesus’ words- IF you believe in THIS part of the bible:

        “15“If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will bec in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”- John 14: 15-21.

      • You humor me. I told you the reason I didn’t answer your question yet you are unable to accept that I would be honest with you. Obviously I must fear God because I don’t answer your ruse in the time you expect.

        And really I wanted to know because I’m curious, not for some philosophical debate. I really enjoy intelligent conversations and understanding other people’s points of view.

        First, I don’t fear God, God is loving and kind. He cares for me and I talk with Him many times a day. I surround myself with His word and love Him greatly. So again, to answer your question, yes we CAN choose to ignore God’s command. That is freewill. But if we want His glory we cannot.

        It is in answering obeying His commands to me that I responded to your post. It is in obeying His command that I wrote my last book, changed jobs, and even moved yo different cities. I am not a stranger to His voice, He speaks with me and through me often.

        Now I am curious about your church though. I have never been to a church where a woman can’t be a leader or a pastor. Nor have I been to a church where women aren’t allowed to speak. Is it hard to get used to waiting until you are home to ask your husband questions about what happened on church or have you always give to that type of church? I know my fiancee couldn’t do it lol, she likes speaking at church.

      • You still didn’t answer my question. You purposefully ‘misunderstood’ it and thus answered the wrong question. I didn’t ask if a person COULD disobey (as in, have the ability to disobey- DUH) and you know it. I asked if a human being can ignore & disobey God’s commands and get away with it.

        As I thought, you answer vaguely. ‘if you want God’s glory…” However, even your own words work against you. Because the bible clearly states God’s will and commands concerning homosexuality, then YOU do not want God’s glory because you disobey them. Also, you are denying the same glory to those around you as you encourage them to disobey God’s words on this topic. Neither are to be proud of.

        Your comment here has moved into the juvenile. Especially your last paragraph.

        As you support gay marriage, you deny Christ. And you liken that to ‘women’s roles’ in church. Really. First, you completely (and intentionally) misquote and misunderstand Paul’s and Timothy’s letters as is done by so many liberals (they were actually incredibly LIBERATING to the women of that time.) You also choose to misunderstand WHEN culture plays a part and when it does not. The day you provide me with the wealth of verses where God condemns women speaking in church as an ‘abomination’ and the day you give me Jesus’ similar condemnation, I will agree with you. Your purposeful misunderstandings (to get your way) discredit you. (I suppose there is the possibility that you REALLY don’t understand the bible, but I am giving you more credit than that.) Yet, you want to be taken seriously. You hide behind these ‘misunderstandings’ and avoid a straight and simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer to an easy question.

        As for fearing God. Well, I suppose you don’t fear God because to you and your wife, that part of the bible is also something that must be ‘taken into account according to the culture of the time. ‘

        Your nonsense in this answer has gotten you banned. I will leave you, however, the following verses that, um, ‘recommend’ FEAR of God- that is, IF these bible parts are ‘valid’ in your mind:

        Deut. 6:13 “Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.”

        Deut. 6:24 “And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.”

        Deut. 8:6 “Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.”

        Psa. 2:11 “Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.”

        Prov. 23:17 “Let not thine heart envy sinners: but be thou in the fear of the LORD all the day long.”

        I Pet. 2:17 “Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.”

        Isaiah 8:13 “Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.”

        Josh. 24:14 “Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD.”

        Eph. 5:21 “Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.”

        Col. 3:22 “Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;”

        (also see Deut. 10:12, 10:20, 4:10, 6:2, 13:4, 14:23, 17:19, 28:58, 31:12, 31:13; I Sam. 12:14, 12:24)

        2) If you do not fear God, you are probably forsaking God.

        Jer. 2:19 “Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.”

        Prov. 1:28-29 “Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me: For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:”

        Prov. 14:2 “He that walketh in his uprightness feareth the LORD: but he that is perverse in his ways despiseth him.”

        Rom. 3:10-18 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

        3) There are many benefits to fearing God.

        Psa. 128:1 “Blessed is every one that feareth the LORD; that walketh in his ways.”

        Psa. 25:14 “The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.”

        Psa. 33:18 “Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;”

        Psa. 34:7 “The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.”

        Psa. 34:9 “O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.”

        Psa. 103:13 “Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.”

        Psa. 115:11 “Ye that fear the LORD, trust in the LORD: he is their help and their shield.”

        Psa. 115:13 “He will bless them that fear the LORD, both small and great.”

        Psa. 128:4 “Behold, that thus shall the man be blessed that feareth the LORD.”

        Psa. 147:11 “The LORD taketh pleasure in them that fear him, in those that hope in his mercy.”

        Prov. 10:27 “The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened.”

        Prov. 15:16 “Better is little with the fear of the LORD than great treasure and trouble therewith.”

        Prov. 19:23 “The fear of the LORD tendeth to life: and he that hath it shall abide satisfied; he shall not be visited with evil.”

        Prov. 31:30 “Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.”

        4) Fear is the beginning of wisdom. Without it you cannot get saved, and without it you’ll never be able to stop falling into sin.

        Prov. 2:5 “Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.”

        Prov. 14:27 “The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.”

        Psa. 111:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.”

        (also see Prov. 1:7, 9:10, 15:33)

        Prov. 3:7 “Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.”

        Prov. 16:6 “By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.”

        How can you learn to fear God more?

        Prov. 2:1-5 “My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.”

        Remembering these two verses also helps generate some fear of God:

        Num. 32:23 “But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.”

        Gal. 6:7 “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

        The role fear plays in salvation:

        Acts :13:26 “Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.”

        Phil. 2:12 “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

        Psa. 9:20 “Put them in fear, O LORD: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.”

        Luke 12:1-5 “In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.”

        Heb. 10:29-31 “Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

      • not your ‘discussion’- your insincerity, your free use of non-existent facts (lots of happy gays- really?), and your implication that God’s words are not to be followed. And yes, it irritates me. But my POST is not angry at all.

  5. You are a horrible, horrible person. You claim to be a follower of Christ but you act NOTHING like him. You are judgmental and presumptuous and spend all your time championing against an orientation that is not a choice–just like you don’t choose to be heterosexual. No wonder certain gays feel the need to kill themselves, it’s because people like YOU tell them that they are “unnatural,” and thus undervalued.

    You think gay people “divide the household?” The South, which have highest number of bible-thumpers, also rank the highest in births out of wedlock. Father-less children are all the rage. At least gay couples have a respectful and coupled relationship that breeds a healthy environment for children.

    • jj, I am a hateful person because I obey God? Because I trust in his words and not yours? Because I believe that all he has for us is GOOD and not evil? And that all his commands must therefore be to bring us joy and not sadness? That makes me a horrible person in your eyes?

      What you really want is for all people to say that you can go ahead and break God’s law and that you can find peace, happiness and everlasting life with him in joy. But as the bible is the ONLY word we have from God, I have no authority to just say what you want me to say. Only God can change his words. And he has cursed anyone who dares to do such a thing. Sorry, not going to happen.

      This article is sympathetic to those who practice homosexuality. I know I would give up sex entirely if my choice were between God and death. Easily.

      You say you have no choice, but you do have a choice. No one is forcing you to have sex are they? If so, then that is rape and you are blameless. But as an adult, you choose every action. Thus, you bear the responsibility for it.

      While you want to shoot me, the mere messenger, your problem is with God. And if people who practice homosexuality are suicidal, it seems to me that their real problem is separation from God- which leads to dispair. When people choose repeatedly to disobey God, they WILL become despondent and depressed. The homosexual lifestyle can NOT ever bring happiness. You can blame me for that. Or you can blame God for that. But there is only one person to blame for your own unhappiness: you. Choose God and your life will improve. Choose to indulge your desires and you will become suicidal. This goes for any sin. Homosexuality is especially dangerous because it is also involved in a culture of promiscuity and frequency. This creates a situation where the person REPEATEDLY and without remorse, disobeys God. Many homosexuals come to hating God and mocking him- thus driving an ever deeper wedge between themselves and God. Without God, there literally is no happiness. No joy. No redemption. And ultimately, no purpose. THAT is the cause of suicide- not little ol’ me.

      • This was a well spoken response to an issue that needs to be addressed openly. Too long have Christians ignored their moral obligations to stand by the truth of God’s word choosing instead to bow to the idol of political correctness and allow sin to fester and rot the life from his creation.

        I read Anh Do’s article in the LA Times. Almost right away alarms started to go off in my consciouness. It appears that after a time the parents caved and compromised truth, opening a Pandora’s box. The young man may well have felt that he had been betrayed and lied to.

        My sons went through the public school system in the San Francisco Bay Area in the 70’s-80’s. They would come home proclaiming that truth was relative and I would try to teach them that there are moral absolutes, that there is right and there is wrong, that good and evil can not compromise. Evil is insinuous and in that manner had already begun to pervade our educational system. My oldest son went on to get his Phd in Physics from UCLA so you can imagine we had some fierce discussions!

    • p.s. JJ. You say Christ acted nothing like me? That he was not ‘judgmental’ and ‘presumptuous’ and did not spend his time challenging an orientation?

      I say to you: you are very wrong there. He most certainly did. And the orientation he championed constantly against is SIN- all sin. Not just the sin of sexual immorality. AND he gave the SAME advice that I give: repent and be forgiven. Observe. Jesus is angry at the ‘religious’ leaders of the time- this is just from ONE interaction he had:

      “13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. [14] [a]

      15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
      16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

      23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

      25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

      27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

      29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

      33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

      37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[b]”

      • “So, as a Christian, you believe YOU or any human being has the right to ignore Jesus’ and God’s commands?”

        You certainly do. Apparently when Jesus said, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1) or “The second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these (Mark 12:31),” you completely disregarded those.

        I will say it again: homosexuality is not a choice. You do not choose to be heterosexual, they don’t choose to be homosexual. You simply want to use god’s word as a method to condemn others. You are a not a Christian, you are a Pharisee. You judge as if god ordained you–little old you–to deliver god’s message, and by the power of god, you have the power to tell other people how to act.

        You are a hateful person. You only select passages that fit your hateful agenda. The problem is not homosexuals, it’s you.

        “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.”

        How sad you can quote a verse like that and be completely oblivious to the fact that it addresses you.

      • jj, show me WHERE I judge homosexuals. Also, where I have failed to love them. I love them enough to tell them the TRUTH of the bible and God’s will. That is NOT judgement- it IS love. I don’t wish them to die. I do not condemn them as more evil than me. I do not say they are less than me. This article is compassionate to gays and harsh on this so-called church that teaches that people can be ‘cured’ of sin.

        Also, you don’t put the FULL verse about judgement- so like those who wish to sin and not be held accountable. Also, you wish to pick one verse out of context of the whole bible, which if you read it, gives a full, comprehensive view about judgement in general. Here is the FULL account of those verses you just quoted: Christ said:

        “37“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

        39He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher.

        41“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 42How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”

        It is CLEAR that the admonishment is to first deal with your own sins and then you can see more clearly to help your brother. AND to be careful HOW you judge others because you will be judged by that same measure. NOT that judgement is not necessary or sinful. In fact, the bible is FULL of the requirement to speak the truth to our brothers & sisters. How will you speak the truth if you can not acknowledge that sin IS sin?

        Apostle Paul admonished many churches in their sinful behavior in his letters. Christ censored many people in the bible and yet calls on us to be exactly like him. God set Ezekiel, and thus, all of us, to be ‘watchmen’ at the gate. We are to keep watch and warn people about the coming of Christ. In fact, we are told to warn people away from their sin. Ezekiel 3: “17 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 18 When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for[b] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 19 But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself.

        20 “Again, when a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before them, they will die. Since you did not warn them, they will die for their sin. The righteous things that person did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 21 But if you do warn the righteous person not to sin and they do not sin, they will surely live because they took warning, and you will have saved yourself.”

        Thus, it is CLEAR. We ARE to judge one another- but by the use of proper discernment and love. To LOVE your neighbor is to warn them of their imminent death. Just like calling out to them if a bus is about to hit them.

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